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| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5310 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes  Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 17 of 28 13 November 2014 at 5:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
Hi, I probably studied 1 to 3 hours each day back then, but I did a lot of grammar, too. I was using Excel instead of Anki, and each card took only 2 seconds to answer on average. That's 300 reps in 10 minutes. Question: "man [noun]" Answer: "der Mann" The worksheet looks like this, 5 columns: "der Mann" ... 名 .... "man" .... [formula] .... [answer goes here] "rot" .........形 .... "red" .... [formula] .... [answer goes here] Column A is the answer and not visible. Column B is the part of speech. Column D Excel formula: =IF(A1=E1,"YES","_") which means: if cell(answer) = cell(question) then pop up the word "YES!" When doing reps, I type "der Mann", hit return, type "rot", hit return. My normal typing speed is around 85 words per minute which is above average. I gather words from different sources, including both - boring word lists, and - words more meaningful to me, eg. from my textbook At the beginning of each study session, I skim over my list, and pick the easiest words to start learning. <=this is probably the key. Or, after entering a bunch of new words, I start learning them straightaway while they're still fresh. Let's say I pick 10 words. I answer them (20 seconds). Shuffle (Excel macro). Answer again (10 seconds). Shuffle again (Excel macro). ... ... Regular skimming makes the list easier and easier. If that's still not easy enough, I pick 10 words that start with "Kr-" or 10 that end with "-tion", etc. Each card gets its own scheduling; multiplier 2. But I just review when I feel like it. Sometimes I just review adjectives, sometimes just country names. Verbs are on a different sheet, and and I do conjugation practice with them. Question: "to drink" + "participle" Answer: "getrunkt" and other variations. The whole process was actually very easy. It was more "memorising words that I already sort of know" than forcing in new words. - Edited by smallwhite on 14 November 2014 at 7:02am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Xenops Senior Member United States thexenops.deviantart Joined 3827 days ago 112 posts - 158 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 18 of 28 13 November 2014 at 7:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
Could you elaborate on the use of Excel, and the formula thereof? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5230 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French | Message 19 of 28 13 November 2014 at 10:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
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SRS is the greatest tool I know of to learn individual facts. This is great for vocabulary and many other types of knowledge. I think it's underrated.
Nonetheless, it's important to realize which skills SRS can't train and perfect. SRS can teach you the rules of soccer--it cannot, however, teach you to play soccer. And so with language. Acquisition of vocabulary and the rules of grammar of a language are easily accomplished by SRS. Having a fluid conversation with an unpredictable partner (as most humans are) is one skill SRS is poorly geared to. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| chokofingrz Pentaglot Senior Member England Joined 5191 days ago 241 posts - 430 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Japanese, Catalan, Luxembourgish | Message 20 of 28 13 November 2014 at 11:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Honestly, no I don't use them much. I used them a lot in the first 3 months of Russian, up to 1000 words. Nowadays it is just an annoying task that has been sitting at the bottom of my to-do list for months. For me, the set-up process is much worse than the daily mindless answering of cards.
My latest SRS-like technique is to perform an Iversen-style wordlist in Excel, always moving the view one column to the right. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| sabotai Senior Member United States Joined 5884 days ago 391 posts - 489 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Japanese, Korean, French | Message 21 of 28 14 November 2014 at 6:28am | IP Logged | |||||
This is how I've come to use Anki. Over the years, I've gone back and forth on it, from one extreme (no flashcards at all) to the other (20+ new cards a day, goals of doing 10k+ cards within a year, etc.). Now, I just use it give me a boost to the content (sentences) I'm exposed to, and I keep the decks small and the reps down with some simple rules like never failing a card and deleting it after I've seen it 6 times (because, after all, if it's important, it'll come up again). 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5310 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 22 of 28 14 November 2014 at 7:10am | IP Logged | |||||
Hey, I amended my post. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| FuroraCeltica Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6867 days ago 1187 posts - 1427 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 23 of 28 14 November 2014 at 4:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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My experience is
1) Flash cards work when done regularly 2) They work best in conjunction with the "memory palace" 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Thuan Triglot Senior Member GermanyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6932 days ago 133 posts - 156 votes Speaks: Vietnamese, German*, English Studies: French, Japanese, Romanian, Swedish, Mandarin | Message 24 of 28 26 April 2015 at 10:30pm | IP Logged | |||||
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@Smallwhite: Thanks for your detailed description of your Excel-SRS system. I like the flexibility (with the scheduling) and the speed compared to a regular SRS.
Actually, one of the first SRS I used to study Japanese was the Japanese with Excel file (anybody remember the name of the file?). It was a Leitner-box implemented in Excel to learn the Kanji according to JLPT-level. Unfortunately, I can't find the file anymore (and a quick google search didn't yield any results or hints). As I'm not well-versed with Excel, I'd love to see an example of your system in action. Would it be possible for you to post a sample Excel-file (or a video)? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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