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| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4387 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes  Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 1 of 19 02 February 2015 at 5:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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Do you think it is possible to learn a language ,as adults ,at a high level alomst only through speaking ? I
think it is very uneffective and It also depends on the language , for instance an Italian learning Spanish or french has for sure more chances to succeed than an Italian learning German or Russian , yet I think it is inefficient . I am bewildered at how many Italians think that to learn English very well you have throw yourself in London for instance , maybe doing jobs like dishwashers with very few interaction , after all if your language skills are very limited , whar else can you do ? They don 't understand that they 'll waste a lot of time and that it can also be frustrating . Yet , when I try to persuade them of the importance of building yourself up through reading , listening, grammar and vocab study etc , I get laughed at . Edited by albysky on 02 February 2015 at 5:36pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4664 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 2 of 19 02 February 2015 at 5:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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It is certainly possible, in my opinion, and could be perfectly effective, but the hard part would be finding people with the time and patience to give you systematically more complex input, cover a broad enough range of topics to give you a useful vocabulary, give you periodic reviews, and so on: all things that would be easier and more convenient with other methods. I doubt you could get it solely through a job as a dishwasher, but maybe if you found the right person willing to take you under their wing.
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| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6581 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 3 of 19 02 February 2015 at 5:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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Sure, people have done this throughout history. I would find it very inefficient and extremely frustrating, however. But if you're a linguist in the Amazon you might not have a choice.
In my experience, the "You have to live in the country" schtick is usually just an excuse not to learn a language. "Yeah, I'd love to learn French, but, y'know, ya gotta live in the coutry to really learn to speak a language, whatcha gonna do?" 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| eyðimörk Triglot Senior Member France goo.gl/aT4FY7 Joined 4098 days ago 490 posts - 1158 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French Studies: Breton, Italian | Message 4 of 19 02 February 2015 at 5:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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I think that it depends on how you define "high level".
I've met plenty of adults who learned to speak a foreign language to a good standard primarily through listening and conversation. But, if by "high level" you mean mastering the language in order to deliver quality rhetoric and to consider the nuances of various expressions and registers, my answer is no. Natives require schooling, in the form of extensive reading and writing exercises, to get there. Not every native with a secondary school diploma will get there. I don't see how you might get there mostly orally, unless you've found yourself one of the last of the oral epic poets to study under. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4387 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 5 of 19 02 February 2015 at 6:03pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes under these circumstances It can be doable, but very unlikely to happen , Unless you have enough money to pay for professional tutors or teachers to assist you for hundreds of hours . I have still doubts on its effeciency though. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4387 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 6 of 19 02 February 2015 at 6:05pm | IP Logged | ||
I also think that such statements belie an excuse, thank god most of the people learn common languages , so they do have a choice. Edited by albysky on 02 February 2015 at 6:18pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| albysky Triglot Senior Member Italy lang-8.com/1108796Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4387 days ago 287 posts - 393 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, German | Message 7 of 19 02 February 2015 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | ||
By" high level" I mean B2 upwards . What you said makes perfectly sense to me . B2 /C1 is certainly not mastery , but it still requires a lot of commitment and I strongly doubt you can get there if your interactions are those of a dishwashers or even those of a waiter . 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| patrickwilken Senior Member Germany radiant-flux.net Joined 4532 days ago 1546 posts - 3200 votes Studies: German | Message 8 of 19 02 February 2015 at 6:17pm | IP Logged | ||
One problem is that your vocabulary, and presumably your grammar, are just going to be weaker if you don't read:
 Edited by patrickwilken on 02 February 2015 at 6:21pm 6 persons have voted this message useful |
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