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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4667 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes  Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 17 of 24 03 April 2015 at 2:42pm | IP Logged | |||||
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People in Argentina can't learn Portuguese let alone Mandarin.
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| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4289 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 18 of 24 03 April 2015 at 8:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
Since when can they not learn Portuguese? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5008 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian | Message 19 of 24 04 April 2015 at 4:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
It is not that different from some of the christian charities, I'm afraid. I'll avoid such charities as well but famished people rarely have a choice. And this particular charity got lately into our newspapers as they got back two czechs kidnapped and held in Pakistan for two years. The way they deal with such groups and situations is sometimes not kindly looked upon by european countries (I think the charity is forbidden in Germany) but the girls are back thanks to them. I wonder how much is Arabic teaching in general tied with the religion propaganda. In past, languages like Russian were totally part of propaganda and these days, it looks to me that Arabic is heavily supported by the countries of origin and tied with the religion (especially as Quo'ran translations are quite a recent thing, unlike the Bible, which has been translated often during the last 600 years or so). Unlike Mandarin, which spreads mostly as an economical advantage, no Mao hidden in the package. Or am I mistaken? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4289 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 20 of 24 04 April 2015 at 8:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I must say that I would avoid any of those charities. I have seen the logs of some
Americans here, who learn Spanish by attending church services in Spanish and stuff. To me personally, that is not going to be a place for me to practise Spanish. Likewise how where I live there is a Brazilian Baptist church, and despite having an opportunity to practise so close, I would rather pass up the chance. Same goes for the Mormons and Jehowah's Witnesses who learn languages, there is a hidden message behind the polyglottery... I have never seen anything about Mao in Mandarin programmes, except as a history lesson, or something. In the 1960s and 1970s, Latin Americans, especially those in Cuba, Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, etc. who were Communists learnt Russian and German due to the ties with the Eastern Bloc, some moving there even. Moscow used to be filled with Latin Americans if I understand correctly, aspiring Communists who were aligned with the USSR and the PRC because they opposed the capitalist USA who, unfortunately, have had a seriously dark past with regards to occupying Latin America for centuries after Spain and Portugal left. Companirs such as Angl0-American, who extract natural resources and were part of the foreign business in Latin America, were a company that caused tension between UK/USA and Latin America. Another one was ITT, the telephone company based in New York. Michelle Bachelet, the current, and previous as well, Chilean President, emigrated and sought refiguee stratus in East Germany after the fascist coup of September 1973, orchestrated by the USA. She even studied Medicine there, so she knows German. If Mandarin gets some sort of status like that, and people aspire to go there, which I think is now getting more popular as Latin Americans send their business people to live in PRC, then perhaps same thing can happen. I have a feeling that it is not the ability of the Latin Americans to learn languages. I bet that if they put effort, they can learn Mandarin. As some Hispanphones even said on this forum, they just do not care as much to learn English. I have a feeling that this has to do with la Doctrina Monroe, where the American President James Monroe declared in the 1820s that Latin America belonged to the USA like a colony. That is not exactly the smartest thing to say. Then there was Operación Cóndor, when the USA started to do coups in Latin America during the Cold War period, to install extreme right-wing dictators loyal to the Anglosphere, who would let the Anglophones extract their natural resources back to their countries instead of letting Latin America invest them in their own countries. I doubt that Czech Republic, for example, has had this problem with English, and by extension, Anglophone countries. If you look at the map, literally almost all of Latin America have been affected by coups by the Anglophone countries. Edited by 1e4e6 on 04 April 2015 at 9:20pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4667 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 21 of 24 04 April 2015 at 10:36pm | IP Logged | |||||
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| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4289 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 22 of 24 05 April 2015 at 5:30am | IP Logged | |||||
Also this week is a further tension between Anglophone countries and Latin America. The Obama Administration have put Venezueula on some list of countries that represent some sort of problem to the USA (like PRK and Cuba) and now Latin Americans support the Venezueulan government against what they see as another step in imperialism. It is all over international news--I am watcihng France24 live and they showed Caracas about how people have signs saying "Gringo go home". This last Thursday, 02/04 was the 33rd anniversary of the start of the Falklands War. The UK and Argentina have tightened their stance towards each other. The old wounds from this war, which was something like the only international war in the Western Hemisphere in the last half of the 20th Century, have never healed. Argentina want the islands, and there is no way in hell that the UK would transfer sovereignty. Argentina also have a case with the USA called "los fondos buitres", which is about how the USA want to make Argentina pay them a bunch of money on loans. It has become so bad that Latin American countries want both the USA and UK to be sanctioned by the United Nations or something like that. They arleady opened their respective cases to UN officials. Edited by 1e4e6 on 05 April 2015 at 5:33am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| 1e4e6 Octoglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4289 days ago 1013 posts - 1588 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Norwegian, Dutch, Swedish, Italian Studies: German, Danish, Russian, Catalan | Message 23 of 24 07 April 2015 at 3:30am | IP Logged | |||||
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I am watcihng the news right now, and apparently PRC have become the essentially #1
trade partner in terms of not just trade in general, but also in terms of technology as well as the obviously known economically part. RT show a 71% increase in PRC in countries like Argentina, Venezuela, Ecuador, Brazil, Perú, Uruguay, etc. The USA, in cambio, have declined in their previous trade by 20% with Latin America. So it seems like a double effect--PRC increases and USA decreases in trade, i.e. both are in flux in opposite directions simultaneously. I think that the technology part is probably the second most important part. In addition to economically, technology comes with language, if we are to judge by English. If PRC produce laptops, automation, cars, planes, etc. they are bound to be in Mandarin since they are produced both for home use and export, yes? So if they are selling the same ones that they use, then the technology would be in Mandarin, and the majority are destined into Latin America compared to the EU. If Latin America import Mandarin-language technology, then my guess is that they need some form of proficiency in the language, this time not as a matter of just interest, but as part of their economic package. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4706 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 24 of 24 07 April 2015 at 4:27am | IP Logged | |||||
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I think that in business English is still more dominant between the countries, actually.
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