LilleOSC Senior Member United States lille.theoffside.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6689 days ago 545 posts - 546 votes 4 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: French, Arabic (Written)
| Message 25 of 43 23 November 2007 at 11:41am | IP Logged |
mcjon77 wrote:
Because Brazilian women are SMOKING HOT!! :) |
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So true. Alessandra Ambrosio is amazing and so many others.
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Alvinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 6232 days ago 828 posts - 832 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish
| Message 26 of 43 28 November 2007 at 8:14pm | IP Logged |
I'm Brazilian but I cannot see my mother tongue as the kind of language that will play an important role worldwide as Spanish is doing....on the other side, I'm glad to know there are people who have never been to my country or even Portugal and has a huge interest in learning the tongue....
But you gotta be aware that its grammar is hard to learn, being difficult even for us.....
Alessandra Ambrosio proudly was born in the same Brazilian state I was born.....Rio Grande do Sul state has the most beautiful babes in my country, the southernmost one....Gisele Bunchen was born there too.
Edited by Alvinho on 28 November 2007 at 8:15pm
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FlorentT Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 6318 days ago 119 posts - 120 votes Speaks: French*, English, Italian Studies: Portuguese, Flemish, German, Hindi
| Message 27 of 43 29 November 2007 at 3:51am | IP Logged |
Alvinho wrote:
But you gotta be aware that its grammar is hard to learn, being difficult even for us..... |
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Could you please elaborate on that one if you have time? I'd be quite happy to understand what Brazilians have difficulties with, that can be very helpful in learning the language. I don't personally find (Brazilian) Portuguese grammar more or less difficult than the French, Italian or German ones, just different. But I only have very good passive skills and passable conversational skills based on my two weeks in Brazil this summer.
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Alvinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 6232 days ago 828 posts - 832 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish
| Message 28 of 43 29 November 2007 at 7:50am | IP Logged |
Florent
Indeed there are so many people here in Brazil who make loads of mistakes by writing compositions....such mistakes are truly silly and sometimes don't matter if they belong to poor, middle class or even wealthy...but things aren't that terrible as it was until few years ago because to have a good job anyone has to master the grammar as well as know to speak properly.....
Honestly I don't find my mother tongue even though I've struggled to understand its grammar....if I could I'd send you a notebook I bought a couple of years ago to prepare for an exame, with lots of rules and tips for avoiding stupid common mistakes....but I believe there are good bookstores in the country like FNAC and CULTURA which have better books that could match your doubts...as you live in Belgium I doubt you cannot purchase those books at any FNAC branch.
Edited by Alvinho on 29 November 2007 at 7:54am
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FlorentT Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 6318 days ago 119 posts - 120 votes Speaks: French*, English, Italian Studies: Portuguese, Flemish, German, Hindi
| Message 29 of 43 29 November 2007 at 10:01am | IP Logged |
Actually getting books in Portuguese over here is not that easy, even from the local FNAC branch - you can always order them but that takes some time and ends up being pretty expensive compared to the price I paid a couple of novels by Jô Soares in the Barra FNAC :-( Need to try a Brussels Portuguese bookshop I learnt about but haven't had time to get there just yet.
I actually have some material as I bought a copy of the Veja magazine on this very subject when departing from Brazil in early September (this one: http://veja.abril.com.br/idade/exclusivo/120907/sumario.shtm l, as you can imagine I had to buy it!) But if you have good book suggestions that you can think of...
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6701 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 30 of 43 29 November 2007 at 4:02pm | IP Logged |
To Florent T:Maybe it's a radical solution, but why don't you just buy a cheap ticket and fly down to to Lisboa on a long weekend with a empty suitcase? The second hand dealers down there are probably able to fill it with both Portuguese and Brazilian books without ruining your economy. There is also a large FNAC, if you want new books.
By the way the European kind of Portuguese is renowned for some weird constructions which aren't used much in Brazil, such as the cleft future and conditional forms (dar-se-ia) plus the so-called 'infinitivo pessoal', so from a grammatical point of view the Brazilian form should be easier to learn. It's more the indigenous and African loanwords in Brazilian Portuguese that can be a problem, because you don't find them in other Romance languages.
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FlorentT Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 6318 days ago 119 posts - 120 votes Speaks: French*, English, Italian Studies: Portuguese, Flemish, German, Hindi
| Message 31 of 43 29 November 2007 at 4:15pm | IP Logged |
Pretty radical indeed! But you're right. I am actually thinking with saudades about the time I had no kids and was flying there for work every two weeks... I saw the FNAC open there! And shame on me, I did not develop much interest for the language as my work was 100% in English.
On indigenous and African loan words: this is what I like in Brazilian Portuguese actually, which is why I became insterested in it rather than studying Spanish for another Latin language. That's fascinating - and I should mention I practice capoeira 8^)
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Z.J.J Senior Member China Joined 5606 days ago 243 posts - 305 votes Speaks: Mandarin*
| Message 32 of 43 03 August 2009 at 12:59pm | IP Logged |
I heard that, the accent of Rio de Janeiro sounds more natural than that of São Paulo, Rio sounds a little close to French, and São Paulo, just like Southern Italian. Would anyone tell me some differences between their pronunciation rules?
Obrigado/a.
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