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09 November 2008 at 7:32pm | IP Logged 
I'm looking to get a firm grasp on the Spanish subjunctive.   Can anyone give me a recommendation on Assimil
Using Spanish vs. Michael Thomas Advanced Spanish as it pertains to the subjunctive. Do these go beyond the
present subjunctive? I have a pretty good handle on the basic uses, but I find myself avoiding in conversation.
Thanks
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09 November 2008 at 9:19pm | IP Logged 
I think the MT approach is excellent, the French one too. The present and past subjunctive are the ones you'll need 90% of the time. Also look at the subjunctive of haber, which is useful (I don't think MT covers it).

The way MT presents it is the most simplistic yet effective explanation of it I've ever heard and enabled me to use it right from the start. As he says, it's just a sound change depending on which verb 'track' you're on, there's not that much more to it - once that is grasped you can get on with when to apply it without worrying about the form.

There are very few exceptions and even those are consistent within the group. Forget the often pedalled idea of, 'oh no the big bad subjunctive'. It really breaks the surface of Spanish and opens your eyes to how doubt is expressed.
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10 November 2008 at 9:57am | IP Logged 
Yeah, MT seconded. He covers the present and past subjunctive pretty thoroughly. I have very few problems with it now, anyway.
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10 November 2008 at 7:21pm | IP Logged 
Excellent. Thanks for the advice.
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11 November 2008 at 3:44am | IP Logged 
I could just add to that, that you get your general bearings about the use of the subjunctive from courses and books initially, and then spend a lifetime getting comfortable with all the finer points of the issue.
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11 November 2008 at 8:37pm | IP Logged 
Hencke wrote:
I could just add to that, that you get your general bearings about the use of the subjunctive from courses and books initially, and then spend a lifetime getting comfortable with all the finer points of the issue.
I don't know much Spanish, but if it's anything similar to the Latin coniunvtivus, I agree with Hencke; repeated exposure to the subjunctive in different contexts will soon make it apparent to you.

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12 November 2008 at 4:12am | IP Logged 
Honestly, I learned the subjunctive pretty well just from this website:
http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/subj1.htm

Go through all of the lessons and you'll get it.
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12 November 2008 at 5:50pm | IP Logged 
TheBiscuit wrote:
I think the MT approach is excellent, the French one too. The present and past subjunctive are the ones you'll need 90% of the time.


Only 90%? There aren't any other subjunctives other than the future, and that one is used much, much less than 10% of the time unless you're a lawyer or something. In fact, you can easily get away with not knowing it at all.

- Kef



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