chelovek Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6093 days ago 413 posts - 461 votes 5 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian
| Message 1 of 5 07 October 2008 at 6:54pm | IP Logged |
Yesterday I got the "Big Silver Book of 555 Russian Verbs", and I got the idea that I should take 4 or 5 verbs per day and try to master them. (I feel I'm seriously lacking in how many verbs I know; this book has a Top 50, and I know all of those, but many of the rest in the book I don't know at all)
I've been writing out the conjugations, pronouncing it all, and memorizing some sample sentences. I'll casually test myself at random intervals throughout the day, and I'm not having any problems with the 7 verbs I've gone through so far.
For those of you who use conjugation tables or these 500 [Language] Verb books, how do you use them? Do you find that you retain the knowledge?
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FrancescoP Octoglot Senior Member Italy Joined 5956 days ago 169 posts - 258 votes Speaks: Italian*, French, English, German, Latin, Ancient Greek, Russian, Norwegian Studies: Georgian, Japanese, Croatian, Greek
| Message 2 of 5 08 October 2008 at 1:13am | IP Logged |
I find the "Silver Book" excellent, even if I don't think much of verb books in general: given the infinitive and the first person singular present form of a verb (as a dictionary gives you) a learner with a moderate grasp of grammar should be able to recite all (or most) conjugated forms on the spot. I mean, there's a certain degree of redundancy in this kind of publications. This said, the one book you mention is useful: no-nonsense lists, examples that are to the point, useful aspect pairs, etc.
Learning a bunch of verbs a day could be an idea, I have planned to do so myself for the verbs I don't know yet, but I would couple that with intensive reading of novels or articles. Memorizing sample sentences helps greatly, but context can be important too, especially if you still have 505 entries to go. At any rate, stick with the 5 verbs a day method for a while and see if it works for you, I'm sure it's going to pay off. Good luck
Edited by FrancescoP on 08 October 2008 at 1:14am
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SamD Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6665 days ago 823 posts - 987 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, Norwegian
| Message 3 of 5 08 October 2008 at 9:00am | IP Logged |
Every so often I find myself unsure of an irregular verb form, and that's when I use these books.
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maya_star17 Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5921 days ago 269 posts - 291 votes Speaks: English*, Russian*, French, Spanish Studies: Japanese
| Message 4 of 5 10 October 2008 at 9:06am | IP Logged |
SamD wrote:
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Same.
To be honest, I don't see the point of trying to memorize every (or almost every) verb in those books. For one thing, many of them aren't used very often, and for another thing, conjugations tend to follow patterns (at least in the languages I know about). In my opinion, it makes more sense to study the verbs that are used the most to get a feel for how verbs are generally conjugated in that language.
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chelovek Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6093 days ago 413 posts - 461 votes 5 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Russian
| Message 5 of 5 10 October 2008 at 10:38am | IP Logged |
maya_star17 wrote:
SamD wrote:
Every so often I find myself unsure of an irregular verb form, and that's when I use these books. |
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Same.
To be honest, I don't see the point of trying to memorize every (or almost every) verb in those books. For one thing, many of them aren't used very often, and for another thing, conjugations tend to follow patterns (at least in the languages I know about). In my opinion, it makes more sense to study the verbs that are used the most to get a feel for how verbs are generally conjugated in that language. |
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These books actually do focus on commonly used verbs. Besides, if you want to be fluent, you need to know everything. It might not be a priority to learn the verb for "to explode", but eventually you'll come across it and need to know it.
With German and most Romance languages, I don't think you need a book like this, but for Russian I'm finding it very helpful. There are so many verb categories with different conjugations, and there are also many unpredictable verbs that have changing stress patterns.
Edited by chelovek on 10 October 2008 at 10:39am
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