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| Francois Triglot Newbie Hungary Joined 5614 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, English, German Studies: Russian | Message 1 of 6 15 July 2009 at 10:15am | IP Logged |
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Hello, everyone!
I'd have a question relating Russian: is there any "hint" when to use и and ы? I know about the spelling rule that states you have to write и instead of ы after г, к, х, ж, ч, ш and щ, but what is the case with other letters? Most of the spelling mistakes I do is writing и instead of ы or writing ы instead of и, so if I knew something reference when to use the former and when the latter, it would mean a huge improvement. Thank you for your answers in advance! Francois 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Freya Tetraglot Newbie Germany Joined 5607 days ago 16 posts - 17 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, Finnish, GermanB1 Studies: Norwegian, Japanese | Message 4 of 6 25 July 2009 at 9:52pm | IP Logged |
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After ц you normally write и, but common exeptions are цыган, на цыпочках, цыпленок, цыкать. Hope it helps :)
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| snovymgodom Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5725 days ago 136 posts - 149 votes  Speaks: English*, Russian | Message 5 of 6 26 July 2009 at 8:30am | IP Logged |
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Also, the words ending in -ец which drop the -е and add -ы:
американец / американцы There are many such words. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Freya Tetraglot Newbie Germany Joined 5607 days ago 16 posts - 17 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, Finnish, GermanB1 Studies: Norwegian, Japanese | Message 6 of 6 26 July 2009 at 2:26pm | IP Logged |
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These are complete rules for ЦИ-ЦЫ (not so many ;)). The main logic: the choice depends on the position of ЦИ-ЦЫ in a word.
ЦИ: in words ending in -ция (e.g. грация, станция) in word stems (e.g. цирк, цифра) ЦЫ: in suffixes (e.g. синицын) in word endings (e.g. птицы/американцы) 4 exceptions: -Цыган- на -цыпочках- подошел к -цыпленку- и -цыкнул- на него. (taught in the sentence that it's easier to remember) So in case of американец / американцы it's not so much because the singular ends in -ец, but because the general rule applies - _any_ word _ending_. Edited by Freya on 26 July 2009 at 2:28pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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