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| Rmss Triglot Senior Member Spain spanish-only.coRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6564 days ago 234 posts - 248 votes  3 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, English, Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 25 of 34 24 June 2009 at 9:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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"Â" isn't an official letter in the Turkish alfabet, so I'm surprised to see it. Can all vowels receive a circumflex? What does it exactly do regarding pronunciation?
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| !LH@N Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6821 days ago 487 posts - 531 votes Speaks: German, Turkish*, English Studies: Serbo-Croatian, Spanish | Message 26 of 34 24 June 2009 at 9:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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all vowels can get the ^ as far as I know. It softens the vowel, for example, Kâzım is a little pronounced like Kyazım. It's also used "persian style", to make a noun to an adjective, for example asker = soldier, askerî = military. I think in that case it just lengthens the i.
EDIT: I have never seen a ê, ô or û though Regards, Ilhan Edited by !LH@N on 24 June 2009 at 9:47pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Rmss Triglot Senior Member Spain spanish-only.coRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6564 days ago 234 posts - 248 votes 3 sounds Speaks: Dutch*, English, Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 27 of 34 24 June 2009 at 11:13pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Just looked it up: Wikipedia -> Circumflex -> #Length, says:
"Turkish. According to Turkish Language Association orthography, düzeltme işareti ("correction mark") over a and u is primarily used to indicate a long vowel on a basis of disambiguation. For example ama (but) against âmâ (blind), şura (that place, there) against şûra (council). Although official, the required system is complex and younger generations gradually decline using it." So only over "a" and "u", and it makes the vowel longer (at least, according to Wikipedia). Seems a bit weird to me, as ğ already makes a vowel longer. Edited by Rmss on 24 June 2009 at 11:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| minus273 Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5765 days ago 288 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Ancient Greek, Tibetan | Message 28 of 34 24 June 2009 at 11:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
To spell the Perso-arabic long vowels, judged from the words where it happens. Something to do with the exact vocal quality following the original Arabic consonant letter? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Analia Newbie Netherlands Joined 5636 days ago 12 posts - 13 votes Speaks: English | Message 29 of 34 25 June 2009 at 12:31am | IP Logged | ||||||||
These two statements are contradictory. If there is only one k sound, then there would be no problem, and no need for a circumflex. But if you acknowledge that it is a good solution, then you also acknowledge that there is a problem; because a solution attests the existence of a problem.
Napoleon Bonaparte once said "history is a set of lies agreed upon". I think this is true especially with regard to the history of Modern Turkey starting from the pre-republican period. I really suggest you to read some primary sources, for example, read the memories of Dr. Rıza Nur. Riza nur was a close friend of Ataturk, and he had been a minister in Turkey for some period. However, unfortunately, today, there is a legislation in Turkey criminalising any negative comment or critique about Ataturk. So most of the books you would find are either censored, or do not represent the reality. For that reason, Dr. Riza Nur's book is banned in Turkey. You would be prosecuted for even possessing that book. This shows how rudimentary the freedom of speech is in Turkey. The British Museum in England has an original copy of the Riza Nur's book if you are interested in reading it. Or you can also read objective western historians like Andrew Mango... Edited by Analia on 25 June 2009 at 12:33am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| !LH@N Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6821 days ago 487 posts - 531 votes Speaks: German, Turkish*, English Studies: Serbo-Croatian, Spanish | Message 30 of 34 25 June 2009 at 9:36am | IP Logged | ||||||||
No, it's not at all, I am sorry. The ^ changes the way the a is pronounced. And of course, there was a problem of writing Kazim's name in Latin letters, because in Arabic two different k's were used. That problem was solved pretty good.
I do possess Andrew Mango's book. And please do not get me wrong, I am not trying to offend you in any way, but I think I know just a little more about the complexity of the situation than you think. Regards, Ilhan 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6272 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 31 of 34 25 June 2009 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The circumflex seems to be becoming rarer in written Turkish.
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| !LH@N Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6821 days ago 487 posts - 531 votes Speaks: German, Turkish*, English Studies: Serbo-Croatian, Spanish | Message 32 of 34 25 June 2009 at 9:01pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Yeah, as far as I know it's not "official" anymore and a great majority of youth ignore it. But I still prefer to use it, because I love the way â is pronounced.
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