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tuffy
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01 December 2005 at 7:12pm | IP Logged 
I have just heard something that confuses me (again).

I thought that este/ese, esta/esa were the male and female forms of this/that.

And that eso and esto were more for general usages.
It's like THAT for instance. Sometimes THAT happens.
Or THIS is not nice etc.

But now I heard this: "These papers?" > "Estos papeles?"
And with my thinking I had expected "Estes papeles" since it's a male word.

Can anybody please explain why they use estos and not estes? When should I use what?

Thank you :)

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01 December 2005 at 8:31pm | IP Logged 
uh, yeah, “estos” is the plural of “este”... try not to let it bother you. “esos” is also the plural of ese.
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tuffy
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02 December 2005 at 1:52am | IP Logged 
Ah ok. And what are the plurals of esta and esa? Estas and esas?


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luke
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02 December 2005 at 5:11am | IP Logged 
Sí, señor.
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rafaelrbp
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02 December 2005 at 7:26am | IP Logged 
This is a major difficulty when learning Spanish being a Portuguese speaker, because for us we have "estes" and "esses" as the plural of "este" and "esse", respectively.

And we don't have the "esto" and "esso" (or eso) form, just masculine and feminine.
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morprussell
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02 December 2005 at 1:02pm | IP Logged 
tuffy wrote:
Ah ok. And what are the plurals of esta and esa? Estas and esas?


Yes
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tuffy
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02 December 2005 at 2:15pm | IP Logged 
Okidoki, another one for my grammar archive :-)
Thanks.

I thought of one way to remember already: when you have more males, you get more testOsterOne: tough and changed behaviour. So there we have a changed word with an o :-)
The females stay as they are.

Hmm :)




Edited by tuffy on 02 December 2005 at 2:21pm

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Niall Gallagher
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02 December 2005 at 4:23pm | IP Logged 
From what I can see, another way to remember it is to look at the plural form of ese = esos. If one tries to pluralise ese simply by appending an 's', it becomes "eses", which sounds like S-S, and quite funny to my ear, even as a beginner.

This way, it becomes easier to remember that one should change to last 'e' to an 'o' when pluralising the masculine form of "this/that", before adding the 's'.

Edited by Niall Gallagher on 02 December 2005 at 4:24pm



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