souley Senior Member Joined 7247 days ago 178 posts - 177 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: Arabic (Written), French
| Message 1 of 6 03 October 2005 at 12:40pm | IP Logged |
I have a problem, and perhaps some of you can relate to it.
I feel that I, in my target language, have a fairly good vocabulary. I can read newspaper articles and understand atleast 75-80%. This means that I have a good foundation of relatively 'difficult' and 'complicated' words memorized.
However, when I converse with a native speaker, Its almost like I flee to the 200-300 simplest words I know and never vary, and I use real basic, close to incorrect, sentence buildings.
Does anyone recognize this problem?
In other words, I want to know how to implement the words and word buildings I know that I have memorized and know, into my daily conversations.
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administrator Hexaglot Forum Admin Switzerland FXcuisine.com Joined 7382 days ago 3094 posts - 2987 votes 12 sounds Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian Personal Language Map
| Message 2 of 6 03 October 2005 at 3:34pm | IP Logged |
Souley, welcome back to the forum!
I think passive and active language skills are things that can grow independently of one another to some extent. If you wish to improve your active Arabic (if I recall correctly) you may want to get more exposure to the language and write down neat phrases you feel might be used in real conversation. You can also learn entire dialogs from language programs, or find some penpal. Writing is less intense than speaking and you will get good mileage in speaking once you can write short emails with ease.
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zorglub Pentaglot Senior Member France Joined 7006 days ago 441 posts - 504 votes 1 sounds Speaks: French*, English, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: German, Arabic (Written), Turkish, Mandarin
| Message 3 of 6 03 October 2005 at 5:58pm | IP Logged |
Hello, Is it Arabic ?
How did you learn arabic, what method if any , and waht is your mother tongue ?
souley wrote:
I have a problem, and perhaps some of you can relate to it.
I feel that I, in my target language, have a fairly good vocabulary. I can read newspaper articles and understand atleast 75-80%. This means that I have a good foundation of relatively 'difficult' and 'complicated' words memorized.
However, when I converse with a native speaker, Its almost like I flee to the 200-300 simplest words I know and never vary, and I use real basic, close to incorrect, sentence buildings.
Does anyone recognize this problem?
In other words, I want to know how to implement the words and word buildings I know that I have memorized and know, into my daily conversations. |
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souley Senior Member Joined 7247 days ago 178 posts - 177 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: Arabic (Written), French
| Message 4 of 6 03 October 2005 at 7:11pm | IP Logged |
Yes it is Arabic, and I learned it / am learning it, through, first of all, grammar books, the same as those used in Saudi-Arabian schools, and then just alot of study hours and a good dictionary (Hans Wehr).
And my mother tongue would be Swedish.
Francois --> Thank you for your advice. You sure are right that passive and active language skills are two different issues which both need different exercises and study methods.
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czech Senior Member United States Joined 7200 days ago 395 posts - 378 votes Studies: English*
| Message 5 of 6 03 October 2005 at 8:28pm | IP Logged |
Well, since I don't know much about Arabic materials, I would choose shadowing. It comes in all languages. This will get you using more lexical items.
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patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7021 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map
| Message 6 of 6 05 October 2005 at 1:52pm | IP Logged |
I recommend befriending a friendly native speaker of the language and talking to him/her. If you feel comfortable around him/her, then you might find that it is easier to form longer, more complex sentences and express your thoughts and feelings better.
I am also learning arabic and I am very fortunate to be friends with a few native speakers of the language. However, I have only been learning for a few weeks and I can barely say "good morning", so conversations between us invariably switch back into English.
Souley, how long did it take you to learn the arabic alphabet? What books/resources did you use specifically for this? Did this really speed up your learning of the language?
At the moment I've delayed learning the alphabet and concentrated on listening and speaking (mainly with Pimsleur, but also with native speakers). However, I realise that I'll have to learn it eventually, since I want to read and thereby improve vocab, but I'm apprehensive.
Edited by patuco on 08 October 2005 at 4:12am
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