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| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7211 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 1 of 10 27 October 2005 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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FSI Programmatic Spanish (PSp) says one goal is to
memorize each dialog. They suggest this method for approaching each dialog. 1) Get the meaning. a) Listen to recording that has English translation quickly followed by foreign phrase. Listening drill. Book closed. b) Recording has foreign phrase followed by pause, then translation. Here you are to say the translation (native tongue) before the recorded confirmation. 2) Pronunciation a) Slow build up of foreign phrases. Repeat in the pauses. Book closed. b) Book open. Read along with the same pronunciation recording in step 2a. 3) Fluency Recording is normal pace. Repeat phrases in pauses. Book closed. 4) Participation Recorded dialog has silence for one of the parts. You are to respond as if dialog is a conversation. Book may be open or closed. If you look at the book, only look at your native language. One is to master each step before moving on to the next. This is a more elaborate approach to learning a dialog than is discussed in the basic courses I've seen. Does anyone have other techniques to "become one with the source"? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| ElComadreja Senior Member Philippines bibletranslatio Joined 7244 days ago 683 posts - 757 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, Latin, Ancient Greek, Biblical Hebrew, Cebuano, French, Tagalog | Message 2 of 10 28 October 2005 at 4:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Well the other line of thought here is to not have any recorded English. (The basic FSI course does this). The other part of that is to only to look at dialogues with the translations when *not*listening to the scripts. This is to check the meaning and double check if you are hearing things right.
Yes, your first handful of dialogues are probably going to take *forever* to memorize, no matter how you approach it. As you go along though, it should get easier & easier. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7211 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 3 of 10 28 October 2005 at 6:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Another approach is Ardaschir's shadowing technique,
although he said he doesn't consciously try to memorize the texts. One advantage it has is that it's easier to find or create a recording that is suitable to the technique. Creating a set of recordings using the PSp approach above would be a lot of work. As I understand it, Ardaschir's shadowing technique centers around a recording that is only in the foreign tongue, and doesn't have pauses for you to repeat. The other piece is a "bilingual text" - transcript in your native tongue as well as the target tongue. He described these steps: 1) Listen to the recording to become familiar with the sound. 2) Listen and speak in unison with the recording - even before you know what you're really saying. 3) Once you can shadow the recording (step 2), continue to shadow while reading the translation to help you understand more completely what you're saying. 4) Gradually shift to shadowing while reading the in the target language. 5) Shadow the recording without the book. 6) Write out the recording from memory. (more than once). There are some posts where he talked about variations of this technique. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Farley Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 7098 days ago 681 posts - 739 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, GermanB1, French Studies: Spanish | Message 4 of 10 28 October 2005 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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French in Action uses a unique method to memorize dialogs. Each video lesson has a corresponding audio lesson between 60-90 minutes long. Dr Capretz’s method goes something like this:
1) Watch the video lesson 1-2 times. There are 5-10 dialogs per lesson in the first 10 minutes of the video 2) Next start the audio lesson. The first 20-30 minutes of the audio is an assimilation of the text exercise. You hear all the dialogs from the video repeated again. 3) Then you do a reverse build-up of each dialog guided by Dr. Capretz. Emphasis is on pronunciation. 4 After the build-up to each dialog Dr. Capretz asks some questions followed by a pause and then the correct answer. 5) After you have completed each dialog this way you stop the audio and then read the dialogs in the textbook and answer the questions at the end. The textbook has all the dialog scripts and the questions from the audio. 6) After that, you are ready for the grammar lessons and the drills. Once you have completed the audio lesson, it is very easy to go back and participate with video. This method is painless, but unfortunately is specific to French in Action and will not port over to other programs. One other method I found was in a 1998 Linguaphone course I bought on eBay. Each lesson starts with 4 dialogs and then is followed by key structures to memorize; you memorized key sentences and not the dialogs themselves. The Linguaphone method of Listen—Understand—Speak goes something like this: 1) Read the dialog and the translation first 2) Listen to the dialog while reading at the same time 3) Listen and repeat the dialog while reading 4) Speak with the dialog while reading and then 5) Read the dialog out loud without the audio As a side note, I’m not using the Linguaphone course, but I find their method helpful. There are a few other techniques I ran across: * If the dialog has a translation, try reading the dialog in your native language while listening to the dialog in the target language. * Try reading the dialog out loud line-by-line. After each line look away from the book and try to repeat the line from memory. Edited by Farley on 28 October 2005 at 8:40pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7021 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 5 of 10 29 October 2005 at 2:43am | IP Logged | |||||
Sorry for going off-topic momentarily. Farley, do you mind saying which course it was and how much it was? The reason I ask is because I've got a few Linguaphone courses from eBay. I personally find their method quite good and Farley does a good job of outlining it above. I think the best thing is that it is entirely in the target language from the outset, although this can be a bit of an uphill struggle initially when it involves a language with a different alphabet. The Japanese course gets around this by using romanized characters throughout and the Mandarin course might be the same, although I don't know since I don't own the latter. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| morprussell Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7169 days ago 272 posts - 285 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French | Message 6 of 10 29 October 2005 at 11:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
If anyone is interested I found the French in Action audio lessons available for download at http://otter.middlebury.edu/ns-media/frenchmedia/action/01-0 1a.mp3 This link goes directly to lesson 1 part a. To get all of the audio you will have to change the numbers in the URL. The actual content begins with lesson 02. To get lesson 02 just change 01-01a to 02-01a, that will allow you to listen to part a. Next change 02-01a to 02-01b, then change b to c and so on until you are told that "the page cannot be found", then move on to the next lesson. There are a total of 52 lessons and most go up to part d or e, but a few go further. To save each file you can right click and select "Save As Quicktime Movie..." When you select the file name that you would like to use add ".mp3" to the end. Now you will have an mp3. I hope that made sense. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Farley Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 7098 days ago 681 posts - 739 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, GermanB1, French Studies: Spanish | Message 7 of 10 30 October 2005 at 9:20am | IP Logged | |||||
Luke, sorry to steal your thread. The link below from web.archive.org has the complete French in Action video and audio programs with an index. French in Action The lessons labeled “Text”, "Text work-up” or “Mise en oeuvre” are the lessons I was talking about above. Edited by Farley on 30 October 2005 at 3:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Farley Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 7098 days ago 681 posts - 739 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, GermanB1, French Studies: Spanish | Message 8 of 10 30 October 2005 at 9:39am | IP Logged | |||||
Patuco, it was their 1998 version with 12 cassette tapes and 1 VHS tape. It only cost 20 pounds from the UK, but with a bad exchange rate (for me) and trans-Atlantic shipping it cost me about $70. Still that was better than $500. I agree with you on the method. I think that Linguaphone would be a nice replacement for Pimsleur, if you are a visual learner, or if you just hate the fact Pimsleur does not have any scripts. Also, you can find Linguaphone courses for less than $100 on eBay. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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