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Lisandro
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 Message 9 of 13
19 April 2009 at 11:29am | IP Logged 
Please allow me a comment. Ojalá means quiera Alá, hence que, quiera Alá que.




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 Message 10 of 13
19 April 2009 at 2:36pm | IP Logged 
I have heard both of them here too, but I have absolutely no idea which is correct!

Edited by gogglehead on 19 April 2009 at 2:37pm

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brozman
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 Message 11 of 13
19 April 2009 at 3:28pm | IP Logged 
The DPD doesn't say "ojalá que" is incorrect, but it only gives an example, without "que". However, if you look it up in RAE's Corpus, you will find "ojalá que" 248 times, so I guess it's not incorrect at all. My Spanish-English dictionary only uses it without "que".

Anyway, from a linguistic point of view it's grammatically correct, at least here we use both forms, so if you are speaking you can say the form you feel more confortable with. I guess prescriptive grammar prefers it without que, so if you are writing in Spanish you'd rather use it this way.

By the way, Ojalá que llueva café is a great song!
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 Message 12 of 13
21 April 2009 at 4:15pm | IP Logged 
stelingo wrote:
Cainntear wrote:
TheBiscuit wrote:
A Spanish teacher here once told me it was wrong and in fact redundant to add "que" to ojalá. Any thoughts?

There ain't nothing wrong with no redundancies. Spanish is riddled with them -- every language is. I mean, "I did it yesterday" is redundant -- there's two things in it that place it in the past when you only need one.

Some people, particularly teachers, have a tendency to be "overcorrect" at times (and I used to be one of them!)


Which word in the sentence 'I did it yesterday' is redundant exactly? If you say 'I did it' then we don't know when you did it (yesterday, last week, last month etc) If we take out the word 'did' then the sentence doesn't make any sense and is wrong grammatically.


The conjugation of the verb 'to do' into its past form, 'did', is redundant in this particular sentence. If you said, 'I do it yesterday', the word 'yesterday' by its meaning necessarily indicates that the action is in the past, and more specifically, yesterday. Of course, the sentence is not grammatically correct in English, but in some languages it would be (like Chinese).

Edited by agimcomas on 21 April 2009 at 4:16pm

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 Message 13 of 13
01 June 2009 at 7:48am | IP Logged 
Well, I'm a native Spanish speaker, and this is what I think: If you are not sure, just use "ojalá". There's really no difference, but if you use "ojalá que" it might sound redundant to some people, but if you use only "ojalá", you can be 99.9% sure you are saying it (or writing it) right.


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