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leonidus Triglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 6326 days ago 113 posts - 123 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, French Studies: German, Mandarin
| Message 26 of 30 25 May 2009 at 4:11pm | IP Logged |
minus273 wrote:
If you learn semi-cursive, as every Chinese do, you can avoid the problem of memorizing the details altogether - when you forget something, you turn it into a mish-mash of curves and expect well to be understood. |
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Haha, that's another reason that adds to the case that being able to read characters is enough and all that one could wish for if, and I repeat if, the goal of studying Chinese primarily is its practical merits ;)
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| minus273 Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5765 days ago 288 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Ancient Greek, Tibetan
| Message 27 of 30 25 May 2009 at 6:40pm | IP Logged |
leonidus wrote:
minus273 wrote:
If you learn semi-cursive, as every Chinese do, you can avoid the problem of memorizing the details altogether - when you forget something, you turn it into a mish-mash of curves and expect well to be understood. |
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Haha, that's another reason that adds to the case that being able to read characters is enough and all that one could wish for if, and I repeat if, the goal of studying Chinese primarily is its practical merits ;) |
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Practically as a normal member of a Chinese society, you need the recognition of cursive/grass script, also. While semi-cursive (running) script is basically a running hand of the normal script (therefore quickly familiarizable by exposure), cursive develops from an earlier script independently thereof. As a schooler/university student, I asked countless times my "neighbor" of which hanzi is this or that peculiar cursive glyph.
lu4 (dew, ambrosia)
How you read on books: 露
How you are taught to write:
How you actually write (semi-cursive):
Finally, how your university professor writes on the blackboard (cursive):
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| leonidus Triglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 6326 days ago 113 posts - 123 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, French Studies: German, Mandarin
| Message 28 of 30 25 May 2009 at 7:58pm | IP Logged |
minus273,
thank you for your input, very much appreciated. That semi-cursive character doesn't look like it's in the books at all. Must tell ya, being a normal member of a Chinese society is not a walk in the park, from the looks of it. Granted this is most likely an exaggeration, isn't it? Do you often need to read hand-written notes in daily life? I mean yeah, I am trying to shortcut here, naturally. It's just not productive learning to write and then this cursive script if you only need to use it once a month, or even less than that. I can't remember when was the last time I had to read a hand-written note from someone, except my own notes, but those I could do in another language.
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| minus273 Triglot Senior Member France Joined 5765 days ago 288 posts - 346 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Ancient Greek, Tibetan
| Message 29 of 30 26 May 2009 at 3:13am | IP Logged |
leonidus wrote:
minus273,
thank you for your input, very much appreciated. That semi-cursive character doesn't look like it's in the books at all. Must tell ya, being a normal member of a Chinese society is not a walk in the park, from the looks of it. Granted this is most likely an exaggeration, isn't it? Do you often need to read hand-written notes in daily life? I mean yeah, I am trying to shortcut here, naturally. It's just not productive learning to write and then this cursive script if you only need to use it once a month, or even less than that. I can't remember when was the last time I had to read a hand-written note from someone, except my own notes, but those I could do in another language. |
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Don't be scared. A normal semi-cursive 露 looks easier than this one (the form of 各 is rather outdated, but you can get the gist - preserve the form and gross over the details), and a normal cursive 露, harder (the parts are joint up). Personally I write a beautiful cursive 露 in an otherwise semi-cursive written matter, as some kind of show-off, especially when I know in advance that the audience is likely to be well-cultured.
Community/local information was often published on chalk and blackboards, especially in smaller cities - but they have fairly recognizable form, they're in the context, you need only passive knowledge, you can always get a Chinese to interpret difficult characters as it's quite normal, and things may well change in the age of very cheap printing.
Don't wanna count the strokes in 事? Do this:
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| Fat-tony Nonaglot Senior Member United Kingdom jiahubooks.co.uk Joined 6140 days ago 288 posts - 441 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian, Esperanto, Thai, Laotian, Urdu, Swedish, French Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian, Arabic (Written), Armenian, Pali, Burmese
| Message 30 of 30 26 May 2009 at 5:41pm | IP Logged |
There's a discussion of this point at the end of the "PRI's the world: the world in
words" podcast episode 14 (about the last 6 minutes). The episode is from before the
Olympics last year, still relevant though. It seems the Chinese authorities are
concerned that the Chinese are having trouble writing by hand now that so much writing
is done on computer.
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