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About R sound (English)
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wky92hk
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06 June 2009 at 11:38am | IP Logged

When pronounce English R and Rolling R,
tongue position are the same, aren't?

Rolling R, I mean Alveolar trill
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MäcØSŸ
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06 June 2009 at 12:40pm | IP Logged

wky92hk wrote:

When pronounce English R and Rolling R,
tongue position are the same, aren't?

Rolling R, I mean Alveolar trill

In American English R is often pronounced as a retroflex approximant, but in most cases what you said is true.
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Volte
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07 June 2009 at 1:29pm | IP Logged

In a word: no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trill_consonant wrote:

The bilabial trill is uncommon. The coronal trill is most frequently alveolar [r͇], but dental and postalveolar articulations [r̪] and [r̠] also occur. An alleged retroflex trill found in Toda has been transcribed [ɽ] (that is, the same as the retroflex flap), but might be less ambiguously written [ɽ͡r], as only the onset is retroflex, with the actual trill being alveolar. One other trill has been reported as a consonant, an epiglottal trill. Epiglottal consonants are often allophonically trilled, and in some languages the trill is the primary realization of the consonant. There is no official symbol for this in the IPA, but occasionally [я] has been used in the literature. There are also so-called strident vowels which are accompanied by epiglottal trill.

If you want to know about the rolled Rs in specific languages, there is more to be said - but in general, both taps and trills can occur in more than one place. Is there a specific language where you want to know the position for the rolled R?

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MäcØSŸ
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07 June 2009 at 5:29pm | IP Logged

Volte wrote:

[...]
If you want to know about the rolled Rs in specific languages, there is more to be said - but in general, both taps
and trills can occur in more than one place. Is there a specific language where you want to know the position for
the rolled R?

He wrote "alveolar trill", so he has already specified the point of articulation

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