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| gogglehead Triglot Senior Member Argentina Joined 6077 days ago 248 posts - 320 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Russian, Italian | Message 17 of 26 15 May 2009 at 10:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have also noticed that the ll of Porteño (Buenos Aires) Spanish has become a little stronger in recent years (more like SH [like in Uruguay]) than it used to be (more like the S in "pleasure), but there are definitely variations, and as has already been mentioned, there is much urban migration in Argentina. In Cordoba, I have certainly heard much more usage of "tu".
In Buenos Aires, there is also the colourful "lunfardo",a slang form, found also in tango lyrics. I also noticed, upon my arrival five years ago, that some Argentines, realising that you are a foreign visitor, will use "tu" in an effort to be more easily understood, maybe creating the misconception that this form is used more than it actually is (in Bs As). Edited by gogglehead on 15 May 2009 at 10:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6896 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 18 of 26 17 May 2009 at 1:54am | IP Logged | |||||
There are a couple of conflicting concepts here: AFAIK in Spain "vos" is always used with the second person plural verb form "vos sois", in the very few cases when it is used at all, such as in jest, because it is very archaic indeed. On the other hand, in those few cases when it is used like this, it often refers to just one person (ie. singular). There might be a village or two somewhere where they say "vos eres", but I am not sure this is what Cainntear was saying. Edited by Hencke on 17 May 2009 at 1:54am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| MSklar Newbie United States Joined 5785 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes | Message 19 of 26 19 May 2009 at 4:40am | IP Logged | |||||
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Do not hesitate to go to Argentina to learn Spanish. I lived in Catamrca Argentina for a year and my Spanish has been understood by all types of Spanish speakers. The language description on this page is correct in saying that if you learn Spanish in Argentina, people will notice your accent, but unless you are touchy about that sort of thing, it makes a great talking point with native speakers from other Spanish speaking countries. That being said, not everyone I meet who speaks Spanish immediately says I sound Argentine, i would say 50 or 60 percent do, but as I said, it brings an interesting to talk about. Argentine is rich in history and culture, and the Argentines are dynamic people.The language description on this page says that Tango is mostly instrumental; that is not entirely true, although the instruments are the key to a tango orchestra (I play the bandoneon), there are great singers such as Carlos Gardel, Roberto Goyenche, Liliana Barrios, and Libertad Lamarque. Many tango lyrics are full of lunfardo expressions, which are valuable to learn if you love the music and culture, but be careful as not all are spoken today in Argentina, while some are in full use. I would say the same about folclore music which is also rich in history and lyricism. In Argentina you will find fans of Tango, folcore, Rock Nacional, Cumbia and Cuarteto, all of which you can experiment listeing to before you come depending on which music you like. In Catamrca, we had people who came form Buenos Aires who had a porteno accent, which is slightly different from the catamarcan accent, but not dramatically; both parts of the country shared similar expressions, and many expressions used in Catamrca were imported from BA such as "Que barbro." We had are own expressions as well such as Chuiy! for things that were cold (many of which came from eh Indians.)I had knowledge of Spanish beforehand, and the voseo was very easy to master. Nothing really changes accept command and the present tense, and after a day of listening to it, you will already almost get it. I started trying to officially write it down and study it, which worked for a while in the beginning, but eventually I found myself using it without thinking. Buenos Aires is a beautiful city, but please visit the interior, go to Rosario, and to Cordoba, but also travel far north if possible, and you will see entirely different worlds from province to province all somehow influenced by la patria Argentina. I promise you that you will love Argentina if you have an open mind; it is not an easy country to get by in. Argentines are expressive, but are not the most easy going of Latin Americans. Like all cultures, they Argentina has great wisdom and great stupidity. You will learn to love it on a deep level if you live there though. Bearing all this in mind, whether the dialect is slightly more distinct or difficult is not so important, unless you have an important reason to speak standard Spanish.
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| gogglehead Triglot Senior Member Argentina Joined 6077 days ago 248 posts - 320 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Russian, Italian | Message 20 of 26 19 May 2009 at 10:38am | IP Logged | |||||
This is true, it is indeed a very beautiful country, its interior all too often overlooked by travellers that only pass through Bs As (also a city NOT to be missed). I lived a while in Cordoba too, a much more laid back, yet wholly Argentine destination. As mentioned, a Porteño accent may mark you out elsewhere, but in my opinion this is something to be proud of! Also, beware of some people from other Latin American countries citing an old stereotype of egoism, cockiness and self - obsession when referring to the Argentine people, in my experience, this is completely undeserved. I cannot really offer any more advice, except that if you choose to come to Bs As to study, try to stay in one of the safer barrios of the northern part, such as Palermo, Belgrano, Nuñez etc. Recoleta is touristy and over-priced, and the southern sector barrios, La Boca, San Telmo, Barracas etc can be sometimes unsafe for extranjeros, especially after dark. Good luck! Edited by gogglehead on 19 May 2009 at 10:38am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Marc Frisch Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6667 days ago 1001 posts - 1169 votes Speaks: German*, French, English, Spanish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Persian, Tamil | Message 21 of 26 20 May 2009 at 11:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
In Rioplatense, it's not "vos sois" but "vos sos". The conjugation with "vos" is distinct from the second person plural! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6896 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 22 of 26 20 May 2009 at 11:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
I am not sure why you quote me above this statement, as my comment was in no way related to Rioplatense. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| xandreax Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5902 days ago 142 posts - 160 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 23 of 26 21 May 2009 at 5:30am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'll put in my two cents about how I learned Spanish grammar; the "Practice Makes Perfect' series of books from amazon.com. Really good value, read the reviews if you want. I have gone through the book for Spanish verb tenses, the one for pronouns and prepositions, the one on 'advanced Spanish grammar' , and the one that focuses specifically on the subjunctive, and they have all helped me immensely. Before picking up the grammar books though, I went through a book that was better as a general introduction and getting a good start in the language which helped me to start reading and mostly writing. It's called "Madrigal's Magic Key to Spanish'. If you could get through one of these types of books per month plus practice possibly speaking with a native on an almost daily basis you would be fairly well prepared. Your pronunciation probably wouldn't even be half bad. I found Spanish pronunciation easy to learn. I started learning pronunciation from a book actually, and even with that my Puerto Rican boyfriend could understand me easily although I have tweaked the accent after having had many conversations with him since then. Every letter is pronounced the same in almost every word, unlike in English. Edited by xandreax on 21 May 2009 at 5:31am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| gogglehead Triglot Senior Member Argentina Joined 6077 days ago 248 posts - 320 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Russian, Italian | Message 24 of 26 21 May 2009 at 11:21am | IP Logged | |||||
Is it not "vosotros sois" in Spain? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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