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| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5836 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes  Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 1 of 9 26 April 2009 at 3:32pm | IP Logged |
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Can anybody help to explain the importance of how Rs are pronounced in German?
It is an effort (but not impossible) for me to pronounce them at the back of my throat (french-style..) like most Germans seem to do.. But it might be easier for me to drop that and pronounce the rolling (tip of tongue) Rs that come naturally to me (I am Swedish)! I know that the Swiss do this, right? My questions are: 1) What parts of the German speaking world use the rolling vs the throat Rs? 2) Are there any associations with education, class etc like with some pronounciation in Britain (where I live right now). 3) Are there any associations or prejudice about it? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5733 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 2 of 9 26 April 2009 at 4:56pm | IP Logged |
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I don't think we care too much about it.. pretty much the only time that 'R' is really pronounced in the back of the throat is at the beginning of words, like when you say "Rache" :). Most of the time, in the middle of a word, it sounds a lot like 'ch', as in 'Bach'. At the end of words, it mostly becomes akin to an 'a', so if you want to say "der Raucher" it actually becomes "dea Raucha".
Just listen to some authenitc German, you'll see, it's not really that big of a deal ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5836 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 3 of 9 26 April 2009 at 6:22pm | IP Logged |
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Ah - ok, thanks. Actually, I think I was aware of what you explained and it makes it easier. I had noticed that sometimes it was easy, but sometimes hard..
It's like you say; it's difficult when the R is in the beginning of the word. The whole situation put me off French while I was still at school... I think I can manage it if it is only an occassional throat R! As much as I like Austria and Switzerland it would be nicer to speak German like a German person (Hochdeutsch..(??) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| rabyte Triglot Groupie Germany Joined 6028 days ago 44 posts - 46 votes Speaks: German*, English, French Studies: Spanish, Hindi | Message 4 of 9 28 April 2009 at 3:35pm | IP Logged |
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1) What parts of the German speaking world use the rolling vs the throat Rs? :
That would be mostly the Bavarian dialect and Swiss German. But you're right...just try to speak Hochdeutsch :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Recht Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5799 days ago 241 posts - 270 votes Speaks: English*, GermanB1 | Message 5 of 9 28 April 2009 at 4:15pm | IP Logged |
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The North has more commonly the throat R, and the South a rolling R.
I was told this today in class and was told "pick one", because it would be easier if I remained consistent. I'm going to do the throat R, I think. I thought I was going to do the rolling, but it seems more difficult. Edited by Recht on 28 April 2009 at 4:27pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Mareike Senior Member Germany Joined 6222 days ago 267 posts - 323 votes Speaks: German* Studies: English, Swedish | Message 6 of 9 29 April 2009 at 12:18am | IP Logged |
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I'm from North. And I can't rolling the "R". Neither in German nor in another language.
In the North the rolling "R" isn't common. But everyone will understand you if you rolling the "R". I think it doesn't matter what you do. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| rabyte Triglot Groupie Germany Joined 6028 days ago 44 posts - 46 votes Speaks: German*, English, French Studies: Spanish, Hindi | Message 7 of 9 29 April 2009 at 12:27am | IP Logged |
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but the rolled R is not Hochdeutsch...I think it'd sound weird if foreigners talk like that....?
the only exeption would be if you life in a certain region an pick up the dialect...but why would you learn a dialect if you're "just" studying German in school... 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Mareike Senior Member Germany Joined 6222 days ago 267 posts - 323 votes Speaks: German* Studies: English, Swedish | Message 8 of 9 29 April 2009 at 12:33am | IP Logged |
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Sure, the rolled "R" isn't Hochdeutsch.
But I think it don't sound weitd if someone talk with a rolling R. Sure, I realise that itn't Hochdeutsch, but it doesn't bother me. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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