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| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5836 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes  Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 1 of 7 26 April 2009 at 9:50pm | IP Logged |
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Hi all!
What's the German double-S called and how can I find out how to write it fast in cursive handwriting? Do all German-speakers use it all the time or what is the situation with the this character in the German language? Regards Cordelia 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5764 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 2 of 7 26 April 2009 at 10:30pm | IP Logged |
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The name of the letter ß is Eszett. I don't think it's difficult to write. You probably only need practice.
The letter isn't that frequent any more because after the orthography reform it's only used to represent aspirated s after long vowels or diphtongs, though some people still use it after short vowels as well. Others decided to replace it with 'ss' all the time. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5836 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 3 of 7 26 April 2009 at 11:15pm | IP Logged |
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Thanks for the response! :-)
I got interested to know: What was the orthography reform? "aspirated s after long vowels or diphtongs" I don't know what this means, but I understand that you are saying that it is used a lot less than it used to be :-) I am studying German from a book and at Livemocha.com. Both are using ß a lot. But I am not suire if they have implemented the orthography reform (whatever that is!) or not. Footnote: I just managed implementation of some software across Europe and the German colleagues made it very clear that we MUST get "ß" to display correctly in the software! My team suggested that they simply used "ss" instead but they wanted none of it! I was too busy at the time to look into the background, but the incident remained on my mind. UPDATE: Thanks to Bao's help I was able to find the handwriting for Esszet. Here is is: Esszett cursive example Edited by cordelia0507 on 26 April 2009 at 11:28pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5764 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 4 of 7 26 April 2009 at 11:40pm | IP Logged |
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Ugh, the expression seems to be spelling reform?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_spelling_reform_of_1996 I don't know if either of those uses the old or new spelling (or a mix). If there's the spelling 'daß' it should be old spelling, if there's 'dass' it could be new or a mixed version. I think it looks more correct and professional when ß is used when it should be (though many people aren't sure any more when exactly that is). Sorry, I thought you knew already how it looks like and just have trouble writing it. In that sample the first version is what is taught in school, the second could be Sütterlin script*, and I haven't yet seen anything like the third version. *or any old German cursive script Edited by Bao on 26 April 2009 at 11:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Julie Heptaglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6901 days ago 1251 posts - 1733 votes 5 sounds Speaks: Polish*, EnglishB2, GermanC2, SpanishB2, Dutch, Swedish, French | Message 5 of 7 27 April 2009 at 1:20am | IP Logged |
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The letter is also called "scharfes s".
In Switzerland it's not used at all (it was replaced consequently by double s). 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| jimbo baby! Senior Member United States Joined 5975 days ago 202 posts - 208 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* | Message 6 of 7 27 April 2009 at 8:03am | IP Logged |
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Laughs at this thread for being such an obvious setup.
Welcome to the land of make-believe. ;-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5836 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian | Message 7 of 7 27 April 2009 at 8:56am | IP Logged |
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Erm, Jimbo - no setup! Do you believe in aliens too? ;-)
It was an honest question which received a good answer. The question is resolved as far as I am concerned. The handwriting from Wikipedia is fine - no problem if it's an old style, it works well with my handwriting. (As a Swedish person I have always been aware that this character exists, but since I never formally studied German I did not know what it was called or what the rules for using it is.) I don't know what you are getting at? Sure, I could have spent half an hour searching for it myself online, and I probably would have found it... But it is nicer to ask and get a quick helpful answer. Plus I learnt about the German spelling reform and the "Sütterlin script" neither of which I had not been aware of. Edited by cordelia0507 on 27 April 2009 at 9:03am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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