H.Computatralis Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 6302 days ago 130 posts - 210 votes Speaks: Polish*, French, English Studies: German, Spanish, Latin
| Message 1 of 20 10 September 2007 at 12:05pm | IP Logged |
I noticed that there are no sign languages in the list on the language profile page. This brings to attention a big misconception about sign languages. Contrary to popular belief sign languages are fully formed, fully functional, and totally independent of spoken languages. Actually, the grammar and syntax of sign languages is quite different than most spoken languages. Linguistically, they are classified as their own language family.
So I wanted to ask if there are people interested in learning sign languages. I would most certainly like to learn one, one day.
Edited by H.Computatralis on 10 September 2007 at 12:08pm
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apparition Octoglot Senior Member United States Joined 6648 days ago 600 posts - 667 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), French, Arabic (Iraqi), Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Pashto
| Message 2 of 20 10 September 2007 at 8:12pm | IP Logged |
I'd love to learn it. I have a visual sign language dictionary right next to me, as a matter of fact. I'd have to learn the syntax though...
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dizzycloud Triglot Groupie United Kingdom Joined 6596 days ago 88 posts - 109 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Turkish
| Message 3 of 20 11 September 2007 at 10:30am | IP Logged |
I've learnt a childrens sign language (in English) used by children before they go on to learn BSL (British Sign Language), called Makaton...and that was interesting...I enjoyed doing it, and its just as enjoyable as speaking a foreign language. Although I only know basic vocabulary and stuff in Makaton, gramatically I learnt that the word "the" and "to" aren't signed...so if you wanted to sign "I like the colour red" you'd sign "I like colour red", or if you wanted to sign "I want to go to the park" you'd sign "I want go park"..which certainly makes english easier I think! I don't know however if this is the same in British Sign Language. :)
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H.Computatralis Triglot Senior Member Poland Joined 6302 days ago 130 posts - 210 votes Speaks: Polish*, French, English Studies: German, Spanish, Latin
| Message 4 of 20 11 September 2007 at 3:04pm | IP Logged |
But the point is that the BSL or any other sign language has nothing to do with English. The grammar of sign languages is completely different because the communication medium is non-linear - you can communicate several different things simultaneously using the hands, face, and body language. So instead of using clauses and direct objects to add more information, you would add contextual information by other means. I think this makes it very interesting from a language point of view.
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Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6766 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek
| Message 5 of 20 11 September 2007 at 10:26pm | IP Logged |
There's a few reasons I'm not really interested in sign languages. One is that they're simply limiting. I like speaking the languages I learn; I like reading and writing them, hearing them, watching TV and movies in them, studying the cultures built on them. While sign languages are languages, I don't know of any that are written, nor of any that have formed the basis of a society or civilization.
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Darobat Diglot Senior Member Joined 7186 days ago 754 posts - 770 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: Latin
| Message 6 of 20 11 September 2007 at 11:25pm | IP Logged |
Captain Haddock:
SignWriting
Deaf Culture
I personally would like to learn ASL, but I don't think you can learn it from a book, which is how I learn other languages. For this reason, I won't be able to any time soon, as I have no access to classes or someone to teach me.
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Georgi87 Triglot Groupie Israel Joined 6299 days ago 43 posts - 44 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, French Studies: Japanese
| Message 7 of 20 12 September 2007 at 2:17am | IP Logged |
I would like to learn sign language; however, their diversity is a serious limiting factor to me. I mean, ASL and BSL are mutually incomprehensible, aren't they? That kind of makes learning a sign language useless to me, because if I learn esperanto, I can communicate with a small number of people, but in every country of the world, and be part of a special culture. With sign languages, I can't expect anything like that..
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ElfoEscuro Diglot Senior Member United States cyworld.com/brahmapu Joined 6287 days ago 408 posts - 423 votes Speaks: Portuguese, English* Studies: Japanese
| Message 8 of 20 12 September 2007 at 6:54pm | IP Logged |
I would never learn a sign "language".
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