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| darkwhispersdal Senior Member Wales Joined 6045 days ago 294 posts - 363 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Ancient Greek, French, Italian, Spanish, Russian, Mandarin, Japanese, Latin | Message 66 of 80 19 May 2008 at 4:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The welsh lanaguage while it the national language of Wales and you need to speak alittle of it to get around in some parts Wales (welsh town names, etc) I can't stand it and unless I plan to go into politics I have no intention of learning it.
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| Maximus Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6754 days ago 417 posts - 427 votes Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Thai | Message 67 of 80 19 May 2008 at 6:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
I still don't understand national pride. An individual attaches so much importance to the country in which they just so happened to be born by chance, and then attribute so much addoration to that "random country". Why should I be so proud of Britain? I don't deny that it has had much success, however, I wasn't one of the men who controlled 1/5 of the world's land suface, I didn't defeat the Nazi regime in WW2, I didn't fight at the Battle of Trafalgar, I didn't sink the Armada, I didn't form the welfare state or fight for the right to vote. So I don't see why I should accept the greatness of others just for being of the same nationality. After all, I prefer to viewed as an individual, and to have my own acheivements acknowledged, and to be judged on an individual basis, not just live off the success of the land I was just by chance born into and claim to be so proud of that. When abroad, I try not to hold any prejudices based on nationality when mixing with people and expect that they return the favour by treating me too as an individual. I remember in spain having my housemates, two French girls, hate me and act negative towards me just because of my English origin. Their national pride and the fact that they chose to reject me based on the expectations of their national character demonstrates that excessive national pride really can become sad, pathetic and tedious. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6948 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 68 of 80 19 May 2008 at 6:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
An interesting argument. I wonder why anyone should ever love their parents. After all, it was a random act of conception by two people who had met by chance in a random country. Edited by frenkeld on 19 May 2008 at 6:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Gray Newbie United States Joined 6041 days ago 32 posts - 48 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Esperanto | Message 69 of 80 19 May 2008 at 8:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think it's interesting to see who likes and dislikes what, and how it corresponds to the languages they already speak...
Myself, I'd have to say that my least favorite so far are some particular American English accents **coughnortheastcough** I'm from Alaska (can't get more west coast :) and I'm currently living in the South, so it's doubtless all in what you're used to. (I had the pleasure of driving the entire east coast from Georgia to RI just a few weeks ago, and I had the pleasure of asking a girl for directions. "Hi, do you know where the police station is from here?" **blank look from Hotel clerk** "The what?" Me, kind of shocked, "The police station, you know, like the cops?" **clerk looks confused** "I've never heard of that. Is it like a store?" After a few more moments of confusion on both our parts, she finally had an epiphany and asked, "Oh, you meant the PO-lice station!" with a ridiculously long PO. Really, if this is how hard it is to communicate in my native language in my own country, with another native speaker from the same country, how am I possibly going to communicate with people who speak other languages? But now I know to fully pronounce the PO in police when I go to New England - at home the word tends to end up as a single syllable rhyming with fleece.) As far as other languages go, I don't really like French or Chinese. I grew up knowing people who speak Russian, Native Alaskan languages, German, and Dutch, so those all sound normal to me even if I don't understand them. And I've always liked Spanish... Recently I've become intrigued with Arabic, which my mom says sounds horrible. **shrug** who knows? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| monkeyintown Triglot Newbie ThailandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6092 days ago 10 posts - 10 votes Speaks: Thai*, English, Japanese Studies: Spanish | Message 70 of 80 19 May 2008 at 9:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
frenkeld. Can I give you a big big thank you hug? That was how I was trying to put ;) Parents, country, language, culture, for me these are things that forge me into who I am now. I have the national pride and I understand people whodoes not have the national pride. But it seems like many in here try not to understand different point of view. and not even to think about it. It can't be an effective argument when I feel like I'm talking to a wall. TT Anyway, I'm off from this topic now. I don't know why I was doing this. It is quite silly and shameful. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| ChristopherB Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 6321 days ago 851 posts - 1074 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, German, French | Message 71 of 80 19 May 2008 at 11:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
Totally different situation. As Pauline pointed out, aren't 'love' and 'pride' different things? I mean, sure, I love my home country; it's the place I grew up in and subsequently have the greatest affinity with. I understand its culture and people more intimately than I do any those of any other country. But I'm not proud of it. If someone were to bash my country, it would at most be a mild annoyance depending on the situation. I certainly would take no offense whatsoever or care. If someone decided to bash me for being a New Zealander, I might get angry for reasons other than national pride. I would be defending myself in such a situation, not my country. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7161 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 72 of 80 19 May 2008 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | |||||
Loving your parents is one thing (but even then, I know of people who cannot love at least one of their parents because of abuse, abandonment or what not). Loving your neighbours (or even strangers) just because they share the same ethnic origin is another. I'm not sure that I could link the two, since I'd feel very odd if a stranger of the same ethnic stock would trip over him/herself silly claiming ethnic solidarity and act like my best friend. It's kind of creepy, actually. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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