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| chronik Diglot Groupie Brazil Joined 6010 days ago 42 posts - 42 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English Studies: Italian | Message 1 of 12 19 October 2008 at 3:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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How much time do you think is necessary, studying 1 hour each day, to achieve advanced fluency in Esperanto?
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| awake Senior Member United States Joined 6640 days ago 406 posts - 438 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Esperanto, Spanish | Message 2 of 12 19 October 2008 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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That's a difficult question to answer, because it depends on what you mean by advanced fluency. I was
communicating effectively (with the help of an online dictionary) in chat rooms after about 1-2 months of studying the language (at more or less an hour a day of studying). At that point I had essentially mastered all the points of grammar, and had a vocabulary of about 1000 root words. From there, I started building my vocabulary with a SRS and reading esperanto texts extensively. After about 2 months of that, I had upped my active vocabulary to about 3000-4000 root words (which of course gives me an active vocabulary of tens of thousands of words in Esperanto thanks to the way the esperanto word building system works). So in 3-4 months I had advanced fluency for reading/writing/ Esperanto. It took me another 2 or 3 months to really develop my listening comprehension and speaking skills (which probably remain my weakest area, because so much of my online activity in Eo is textual based). In any case, it took me somewhere around 5-7 Months to reach what I would call advanced fluency in esperanto. I can read it and write it with the same facility I have in English (my native language). I can express just about any thought I want verbally. My conversational skills are my weakest because I actually speak it so rarely. I would characterize my conversational ability as high intermediate, but I'm confident that if I were to spend a few days immersed in an Esperanto only environment that my fluency with speaking would jump up to an advanced level as well (this is a very common experience among esperanto speakers who attend esperanto conferences and the like, they get a tremendous boost in their ability after being immersed in the language for 3-4 days. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| nissimb Tetraglot Groupie India tenjikuyamato.blogsp Joined 6418 days ago 79 posts - 102 votes Speaks: Marathi*, Hindi, English, Japanese Studies: Korean, Esperanto, Indonesian | Message 3 of 12 19 October 2008 at 10:36pm | IP Logged | ||
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I had the same question in my mind which chronik has asked. Awake, thanks for your comprehensive reply. Although I am still a beginner in Esperanto (I have studied it for a month and finished the 10 lesson course offered by ELNA), my main interest in Esperanto is translation of literature-translation of Esperanto literature into my mother tongue (Marathi, a language spoken in area aroung Bombay) and translation of Marathi literature into Esperanto. So I would like to ask a related question- if I study for an hour a day, how much time would it require to be so fluent in Esperanto as to translate literature from and into it? Two years? Three years?
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| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6474 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 4 of 12 20 October 2008 at 2:12am | IP Logged | ||
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If you would like to achieve fluency asap, I can recommend the following schedule. Say you start on November 1st:
Nov 1st to Nov 30th: 30 minutes studying a lesson every day, ideally with a teacher, such as through this program, and 30 minutes to review the vocabulary and the like Dec 1st to Dec 24th: 30 minutes spent on translating a song or reading an easy Esperanto novel such as Gerda Malaperis, 30 minutes chatting with other Esperanto speakers Dec 27th to Jan 3rd: attend a 7-day Esperanto festival such as the Internacia Seminario for a full immersion. This is the perfect time for it, because the next meetings are only around Easter and don't last a full week. After this you should definitely be at Basic Fluency. Then just keep using Esperanto in order to eventually reach Advanced Fluency. Maybe do the course "Vojagho en Esperanto-Lando", it's really good for advanced learners. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| TheElvenLord Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6084 days ago 915 posts - 927 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Cornish, English* Studies: Spanish, French, German Studies: Portuguese, Mandarin | Message 5 of 12 20 October 2008 at 2:45am | IP Logged | ||
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That's a good study plan - I wish I could follow it, but I am too busy with Chinese and Spanish right now.
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| formiko Nonaglot Senior Member United States Joined 6215 days ago 848 posts - 855 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Esperanto, Indonesian, Yoruba, Cherokee, Russian, German, French Studies: Mandarin, Ancient Greek | Message 6 of 12 20 October 2008 at 4:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Well, after 2 years of daily study, I would say I am at the level of advanced fluency. The grammar is the easy part. That can be learned in about a week, and then complex usage can be learned in about a month. (Read the PMEG). Reading good Esperanto literature and listening to Esperanto Radio shows, one can gain advanced fluency in about 1 year to 2 years.
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| chronik Diglot Groupie Brazil Joined 6010 days ago 42 posts - 42 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English Studies: Italian | Message 7 of 12 20 October 2008 at 7:42pm | IP Logged | ||
Well, it takes more time than I thought.
How many root words do you think is possible to know, in 3 months of study (studying every day)? Also, what is the multiplier for the root words? If you know 1000 root words, how many 'single words' do you know? Thank you. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| formiko Nonaglot Senior Member United States Joined 6215 days ago 848 posts - 855 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Esperanto, Indonesian, Yoruba, Cherokee, Russian, German, French Studies: Mandarin, Ancient Greek | Message 8 of 12 21 October 2008 at 1:55am | IP Logged | ||
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Well, I created a method of study where I can learn 600 words in 1 month. 1,000 words in 2 months, but if you read and learn "Gerda Malaperis", you'll have learned enough to run with the best :)
Gerda Malaperis is the classic "libro por progresantoj" written be Claude Piron (Also lookup the stuff by Don Harlow). If you prefer the non dead tree method, you can go to lernu.net. They have audio versions of the above also. If you can learn vocabulary quickly, you can get up to speed in 3 months. Once I joined my local esperanto club, my fluency increased tenfold. That's your best bet. Contact the country's Esperanto Group (esperanto-usa.org for the us and http://www.esperanto-gb.org/ for the UK and http://www.esperanto.org.au/ for Oz. They will tell you about local groups you can go to. I just realized you are in Brazil. http://www.esperanto.org.br/. Brazil is sometimes seen as the Esperanto Capitol right now. A lot of good stuff come out of Brazil. Edited by formiko on 21 October 2008 at 1:57am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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