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 Message 113 of 3959
19 December 2008 at 6:37pm | IP Logged 
DU: Jammer de leden meer geïnteresseerd zijn in sociale evenementen voor wetenschappelijke ontdekkingen... Maar zodra ze ontdekken wat er gebeurd is, kun je terecht zeggen: "Wat heb ik al verzoekt te zeggen!"

Ik heb niet veel geschreven over mijn activiteiten gisteren, maar ik zou willen vermelden dat mijn bus-na-huis-literatuur op dit moment het Teach-your-self-Afrikaans is die ik genoemd heb in een voorangaander bijdrage. In elke taal zijn zoveel problemen als de mensen kunnen wegwerken. Maar er zijn in het Afrikaans geen morfologische problemen - alles wat u moet weten over de morfologie in Afrikaans kon worden geschreven op de achterkant van een briefkaart. De woordenschat is een beheersbaar probleem, als ik en beetje Nederlands op voorhand heb geleerd. Idiomatiek? misschien 'n probleem, maar niet op het niveau van Teach-je-zelf. Ik moet toch noodzakelijkerwijs wat Afrikaans horen om het te leren. Mick33 heet in zijn log een link www.rsg.co.za angegeven, en ik heb daar geen TV programma gevonden, afgezien van een paar "podgoois" (podcasts) voor registreerten. Het is wat radio te horen, maar met te veel muziek en te wenig gepraat. Ten minste heb ik 't Afrikaanse beuzelen bijna kunnen verstaan - veel beter als toon ik daar was vorig jaar.

Ik heb vandaag Drie op Reis op het internet gezien met bijdragen uit Etiopie enz. - maar ook met vervelend en storend muziek. De tijd is op hol geschlagen.

EL: Ολοκλήροσα το βίβλιο γιά των Δελφών - αντίο στην Πυθία και στους αρχαίους Έλληνες, τώρα ισχύει για το έτος 2009. Αγόρα εκπονώ κείμενα από το δικτυακό τόπο ΓΛΟΣΣ: κοπιάζω, κοιτάζω λέξεις στο λέξικο και μεταφερώ σε λίστες λέξεων. σε λίστες λέξεων. Κάνω το ίδιο με τα κειμένα παράλληλα του ΓΛΟΣΣ, αλλά έχω αρχίσει με την γλώσσα τουλάχιστον ένα εξάμηνο νωρίτερα και αισθάνομαι την διαφορά - καθαρό! Μου αρέζει η ποικιλία των κειμενών: "Ραντεβού στα τυφλά με ένα κομήτη", "Πυργίες" (πυρομανές στην Αττικα), "Τουρκία και Ευρώπη", "Μέδουσες" (ψάρια εξαφανίζονται - Επιστροφή στην περίοδο Προκάμβρια!) ... Αυτό το δικτυακό τόπο δεν ξεφεύγει από τα αμφιλεγόμενα θέματα, και είναι πολύ πιο διασκεδαστικό να διαβάσα για τα θέματα αυτά από για τα αντιξοότικα των πλασματικών προσώπων σ'ένα μυθιστόρημα.

SP: He escuchado las noticias y otro emisión de TVE, y me recuerdo la historia del 'gordo', la lotería mas grande y mas idiótica del mundo. No entiendo la mentalidad de la gente que compre boletos de lotería - lo lógico és multiplicar el premio (enorme!!!!) con la probabilidad de gañar (minimo!) - la resultad siempre resulta menos de 1.00, y pues es idiótico comprar boletos. Quod erat demonstrandum. Sin embargo el comportamiento de la gente es irracional, y en este periodo de crisis se vende más boletos que nunca. Está cierto que alguién gañaré, pero almeno yo no tengo que pagar su yate y palacio.

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I feel sorry for Fasulye who went to her astronomy club with a world sensation, but didn't get the chance to tell anybody (apart from one single person after the meeting).

I haven't written much about my activities yesterday, but I would like to mention that I currently read my Teach Yourself Afrikaans in the bus back home from work every day. I suppose that every language is just difficult enough to keep its native speakers occupied. But in Afrikaans the morphology can't spoil your day, - there is less morphology in that language than you would need to fill the backside of a postcard. The vocabulary isn't a big problem either because of my recent Dutch studies, so I'm mostly worried about finding enough audio sources. I have followed the link given by Mick33 in his Afrikaans log, but didn't find a TV station as expected, but 'only' a radio station with too much music and too little chatter. But that will have to do for now, - at least I almost understood what they said, so I probably don't have to listen for hundreds of hours to get epiphanized.

And today I have listened to some Dutch from Llink, - a travelogue from Etiopia, but again spoiled by ubiquitous ugly music.

As I have written earlier I have finished my book about Delfi, - goodbye Pythia and ye olde Greeks. Instead I'm working my way through some bilingual texts from GLOSS. I used those early in my learning process, where I had LOTS of trouble with them. Now I can more or less sight-read them (as the musicians say when they don't have to practice first). Nevertheless I do my stint with copying out by hand, looking up words (even those that I could guess through the translation) and finally transferring them to word lists. Among the subjects there are things like "Meeting with a comet", "Fires" (made by pyromaniacs), "Jellyfish" (no fish and tons of jellyfish - we are sliding inexorably back to the Precambrian!), "Europa and Turkey" (not the best friends) and lots of other themes. I find reading this stuff much more rewarding than reading about the tripulations of fictive persons.

In Spanish TV I have seen quite a lot about the lottery "El Gordo", which has the highest prize money in the world. I simply don't understand the people who buy tickets for that sort of things. They drool over the thought of winning the prize money, but the logical thing is to multiply that prize money with the probability of getting it, and the result ALWAYS is less than 1.00 - so don't buy. Somebody will of course win (and of course I envy that person), but at least I'm not paying his/her yacht and palace.

And finally: the Danish TV channel Zulu has a penchant for sending stand up late in the evening, and right now they are sending show after show with US American comedians. I have mentioned the Italian-American Mario Cantona in the thread about liking the English language (or not), and he gave me an unforgettable - and scary - look into the weird lifestyle of an Italian-American family. Tonight I have been watching the black American D.L. Hughley for two straight hours, and I got another fascinating glimpse of another weird and mysterious culture. Listening to those shows is splendid language training, and the good thing about them is that I can eat and do word lists and scratch my nose and write stuff while listening. Praise the Lord for inventing talk shows, but slam the devil for adding the beeps. "I'm shocked and appalled" (according to D.L. Hughley a permanent condition for white guys) by those beeps. And by political correctness too.


Edited by Iversen on 19 December 2008 at 8:18pm

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 Message 114 of 3959
20 December 2008 at 2:03am | IP Logged 
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EL: Ολοκλήροσα το βίβλιο γιά των Δελφών - αντίο στην Πυθία και στους αρχαίους Έλληνες, τώρα ισχύει για το έτος 2009. Αγόρα εκπονώ κείμενα από το δικτυακό τόπο ΓΛΟΣΣ: κοπιάζω, κοιτάζω λέξεις στο λέξικο και μεταφερώ σε λίστες λέξεων. σε λίστες λέξεων. Κάνω το ίδιο με τα κειμένα παράλληλα του ΓΛΟΣΣ, αλλά έχω αρχίσει με την γλώσσα τουλάχιστον ένα εξάμηνο νωρίτερα και αισθάνομαι την διαφορά - καθαρό! Μου αρέζει η ποικιλία των κειμενών: "Ραντεβού στα τυφλά με ένα κομήτη", "Πυργίες" (πυρομανές στην Αττικα), "Τουρκία και Ευρώπη", "Μέδουσες" (ψάρια εξαφανίζονται - Επιστροφή στην περίοδο Προκάμβρια!) ... Αυτό το δικτυακό τόπο δεν ξεφεύγει από τα αμφιλεγόμενα θέματα, και είναι πολύ πιο διασκεδαστικό να διαβάσα για τα θέματα αυτά από για τα αντιξοότικα των πλασματικών προσώπων σ'ένα μυθιστόρημα.

As I have written earlier I have finished my book about Delfi, - goodbye Pythia and ye olde Greeks. Instead I'm working my way through some bilingual texts from GLOSS. I used those early in my learning process, where I had LOTS of trouble with them. Now I can more or less sight-read them (as the musicians say when they don't have to practice first). Nevertheless I do my stint with copying out by hand, looking up words (even those that I could guess through the translation) and finally transferring them to word lists. Among the subjects there are things like "Meeting with a comet", "Fires" (made by pyromaniacs), "Jellyfish" (no fish and tons of jellyfish - we are sliding inexorably back to the Precambrian!), "Europa and Turkey" (not the best friends) and lots of other themes. I find reading this stuff much more rewarding than reading about the tripulations of fictive persons.


EN: So that's a dosis of the Greek language Demotiki, I can see it, because the accents of Demotiki are reduced in comparison to Ancient Greek. You are very lucky that you can get those non-fictional books about a variety of topics in a foreign language such as Greek.

I am not interested in fiction either generally speaking. I may read a fictional book like for example "Sprachkrimis" in English or French with language excercises on an advanced level included, but those non-fictional books in foreign languages which I prefer, I have no chance to get them. They are not available in German bookshops and if you order a book per internet you need a credit card almost everywhere, which is my obstacle. So this is a disadvantage for me: I cannot travel to bookshops in foreign countries, but my possiblities for internet purchase are also reduced.

My reason for preferring non-fictional books? In fictional texts the author manipulates the reader in direction of his or her own opinions. I don't like to be manipulated as a reader, I rather want to read objective information, so it's logical that I prefer non-fictional texts, of course in foreign languages as well.

Edited by Fasulye on 20 December 2008 at 2:24am

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 Message 115 of 3959
20 December 2008 at 2:22am | IP Logged 
I bought the book about Delfi in Greece during my last visit there in 2007. The Greeks have these tourguides in a range of languages for each location, so I have in this case bought the same book in Greek (Dhimotiki), Russian and Italian.

The GLOSS site doesn't contain complete books, but 'just' short texts - which is perfect with me. The good thing about it is that you can hear the text and see a transcript AND a translation into English side by side, and I have long ago made a small collection for private use of side-by-side parallel texts in Greek and another in Russian (they cover a lot of languages). The only problem is that even the easiest level is realistically seen too difficult for newbies.

About ordering books through the internet without a credit card: I have one, and for on-the-spot payment it may be necessary. However I have in some a few bought items from companies that preferred a transferral of money to their account, normally because they didn't normally deal in overseas shipments. Such a transferral is very expensive through the banks, but you may be able to do it through an internet account ('Netbank' in Danish) - the problem is that the use of a credit card entails a somewhat higher level of safety than a private bank transferral, so you really have to trust your vendor.

By the way, you can sometimes order a non-fictional book through a bookstore (if it trusts you), but at least here they are wary about ordering things from foreign companies unless they already have a connection to those companies. One way of dealing with this is to buy through a university bookstore, who may have a wider range of suppliers abroad.

Right now I'm awaiting my Afrikaans two-ways dictionary, which has been bought through Amazon.uk and prepaid by credit card. I don't yet know whether it will be here before Christmas, but probably not.


Edited by Iversen on 20 December 2008 at 2:31am

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20 December 2008 at 2:31am | IP Logged 
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By the way, you can sometimes order a non-fictional book through a bookstore (if it trusts you), but at least here they are wary about ordering things from foreign companies unless they already have a connection to those companies. One way of dealing with this is to buy through a university bookstore, who may have a wider range of suppliers abroad.


I am very lucky to be able to order astronomy books in English or Dutch via "De Koepel" in the Netherlands, because they just send me the books with an invoice included for the same price as for people living in the Netherlands. So this is very helpful for me. But "De Koepel" offers no other languages such as French, Italian or Spanish. So I cannot read anything about astronomy in those languages.

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20 December 2008 at 2:36am | IP Logged 
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About ordering books through the internet without a credit card: I have one, and for on-the-spot payment it may be necessary. However I have in some a few bought items from companies that preferred a transferral of money to their account, normally because they didn't normally deal in overseas shipments. Such a transferral is very expensive through the banks, but you may be able to do it through an internet account ('Netbank' in Danish) - the problem is that the use of a credit card entails a somewhat higher level of safety than a private bank transferral, so you really have to trust your vendor.


The overall usage of credit cards in the internet excludes poor people like me!
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Try a university bookstore from a university that teaches those languages. Even though the average university student from a language institute doesn't know a Pterodactyl from a quark the university bookstore may have connections to publishing houses or book traders that also offer a range of nonfictional books.   
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The GLOSS site doesn't contain complete books, but 'just' short texts - which is perfect with me. The good thing about it is that you can hear the text and see a transcript AND a translation into English side by side, and I have long ago made a small collection for private use of side-by-side parallel texts in Greek and another in Russian (they cover a lot of languages). The only problem is that even the easiest level is realistically seen too difficult for newbies.



SP: Muchas gracias, Iversen para este site, para mi espanol eso es muy util: Puedo escuchar una información en un livel bastante alto con una transcripción escrito, eso es optimal. Hay también la lengua turca, pero soy principiante del turco, por eso el nivel es demasiado alto para mi. Y las otras lenguas ofertadas no hablo...

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Try a university bookstore from a university that teaches those languages. Even though the average university student from a language institute doesn't know a Pterodactyl from a quark the university bookstore may have connections to publishing houses or book traders that also offer a range of nonfictional books.   


"Even the average university student from a language institute doesn't know a Pterodactyl from a quark": LOL! But that's the truth. Our university bookstore in the city where I studied Romance language had only fictional books in Romance languages and in English on the bookshelves. I have no insight, what else could be ordered there. But non-fictional books on an university level would be too difficult for me, what I read is popular science. In the city where I live there is no university anyway.



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