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Whiskeyjack
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 Message 17 of 70
13 April 2009 at 3:37pm | IP Logged 
fair enough, good points.... I think when i reach 4,000 words then ill slowly move onto Russian... Mabye learning 5,000 Finnish words is what i want since i would like to be at a low level of fluency
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Toufik18
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 Message 18 of 70
13 April 2009 at 3:45pm | IP Logged 
Whiskeyjack wrote:
fair enough, good points.... I think when i reach 4,000 words then ill slowly move onto Russian... Mabye learning 5,000 Finnish words is what i want since i would like to be at a low level of fluency


I don't think that 5000 words is a basic fluency, but rather more because the basic vocabulary of any given language is approximately 3500 words, so 1500 bonys words will get you somewhere around advanced fluency (my opinion) .
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 Message 19 of 70
13 April 2009 at 7:44pm | IP Logged 
The point isn't to learn X amount of words. These numbers don't really tell how fluently one speaks. The point is to keep learning. You will know when you get to a basic level based on your own experiences with the language.

A vocabulary of 5,000 words definitely does not get you to advanced fluency. First of all, are these 5,000 words the most frequent words? If not, then you're missing a bunch of important things. Secondly, if they are the 5,000 most frequent, you're missing a lot of necessary vocabulary for advanced topics, like science, politics, etc.
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 Message 20 of 70
13 April 2009 at 8:06pm | IP Logged 
rlf1810 wrote:
Hello,

Here is the way I count how many words are necessary for each level of the CEF. They simply double with each level.

A1 - 500 words
A2 - 1000 words
B1 - 2000 words
B2 - 4000 words
C1 - 8000 words
C2 - 16000 words

It's a rough guide to be sure but still reasonably accurate I think.

-Robert



This is an interesting table for me, Robert. It is according to my Turkish textbook which contains 1000 words and leads to level A 2.

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 Message 21 of 70
13 April 2009 at 8:34pm | IP Logged 
So how do you guys know how many words you know? I haven't got a clue how many I know in any language....
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Whiskeyjack
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 Message 22 of 70
13 April 2009 at 8:43pm | IP Logged 
i went over my notes and guesstimated xD, but i still know i have much to learn
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 Message 23 of 70
14 April 2009 at 8:44am | IP Logged 
SRS users usually know. Bwt, I think its 2500-3000 active words to be pretty comfortable in conversation. More like
10,000 active/20,000 passive for fluency.
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rlf1810
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 Message 24 of 70
14 April 2009 at 10:13am | IP Logged 
The reason I devised the CEF word table was because I was curious about this exact same thing. How many words to which level. As icing_death mentioned, SRS users can have a good guess, and I use an SRS program (Mnemosyne).

According to my cards I know around 3,800 words. Of course this doesn't include the basics like food, body parts, days, and various other common words. Thus, I can accurately estimate that I know around 4,000 to 4,500 words. This, coupled with the description of a B2 level (which I mostly match) must mean I'm a level B2.

I'm not totally fluent by any means, but I can comfortably talk about any ordinary topics on a daily basis. So, all said and done, 4,000 words is when you can begin to really use the language.


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