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| josht Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6232 days ago 635 posts - 857 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Spanish, Russian, Dutch | Message 33 of 70 15 April 2009 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | |||||
I certainly see your point, but I'm not sure I'd equate broken English / German / whatever with abstract / impressionist art. ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5684 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 34 of 70 15 April 2009 at 6:33pm | IP Logged | |||||
with BASIC fluency you can speak the language, no? I've not any idea at all if I know 5.000 words or 50.000 or 500.000 of a language, but I know how much can I undertsnad of the written or spoken language and if I can write or tell the things which I want. I think that I'm incapable of native fluency in more of the languages but I'm satisfied wiht basic fluency (intermediate isn't sufficient in my opinion). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Whiskeyjack Newbie Canada Joined 5518 days ago 36 posts - 37 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish, Spanish, Russian | Message 35 of 70 15 April 2009 at 7:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
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for me 5,000 words with the right amount of grammer(ALOT) :), then i will slowly begin to switch my studies from Finnish to Russian... After of course a proper test of my skills Edited by Whiskeyjack on 15 April 2009 at 7:11pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| sprachefin Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5532 days ago 300 posts - 317 votes Speaks: German*, English, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish, Mandarin, Bulgarian, Persian, Dutch | Message 36 of 70 15 April 2009 at 7:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The point I was trying to make was to try and learn as many as you can. If you have an SRS program that shows you
your progress, and you have learned about 6,000 or 7,000 words, but you still are able to communicate your thoughts and ideas, then I guess you're fine. If you cannot perfectly understand and speak with a native speaker, then I think more vocabulary must be obtained. And yes, not knowing one particular word counts as needing more vocabulary. I don't know about you all, but if I'm going to speak a language, I want to know it perfectly. Some native speakers require perfection. Germans or French anyone? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jar-ptitsa Triglot Senior Member Belgium Joined 5684 days ago 980 posts - 1006 votes Speaks: French*, Dutch, German | Message 37 of 70 15 April 2009 at 8:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
I havne't an SRS program or other which shows me my progress or number of words. Truly, I don't care how many words.
The native speakers who require perfection must shut up. Last week I met a Spanish lady and she was very nice, not critical of my Spanish at all. When i've met some English people also, and when I've learned German from German-speakers. when I was younger (about 10 years or 12) I was perfectionnist but now I'm not although soemtimes I'm but I try to not be because it's not good. For sure I don't require perfection of the others. I think that if a person is happy with the level of his/her foreign language it's ok. For me, this level is basic fluency (or higher). For others it's native fluency or intermediate, or maybe some words and phrases (elementary). It depend of the individual and judge the others is nasty and not correct because probably they've other requirments. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5633 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 38 of 70 15 April 2009 at 11:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
I would rather set myself language targets than expect any levels of other people. Perfection itself is contradictous. ("Nobody is perfect!") But lets make it more realistic and say aquiring a native level in a foreign language. This is possible to achieve, but it requires favourable circumstances such as: living in the foreign country, extensive travels or native speaker contacts, working in the foreign language, special language talent... Fasulye-Babylonia Edited by Fasulye on 15 April 2009 at 11:15pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| leonidus Triglot Senior Member Russian Federation Joined 6112 days ago 113 posts - 123 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, French Studies: German, Mandarin | Message 39 of 70 15 April 2009 at 11:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
Often these are the types that don't speak any other language and have no clue what it takes to learn one halfway perfect. So yeah, basically I agree. But then, if they don't have to talk to you, and if it's you who is more interested in their help, than they being interested in talking to you, then I guess you have to live by their rules. No choice. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| guilon Pentaglot Senior Member Spain Joined 5978 days ago 226 posts - 229 votes Speaks: Spanish*, PortugueseC2, FrenchC2, Italian, English | Message 40 of 70 16 April 2009 at 3:51am | IP Logged | |||||
Even if you are not a monolingual, dealing with someone who doesn't know well your native language and uses a broken speech may end up being a tiresome or irritating experience, and it only gets aggravated by their claims that they can "speak" the language. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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