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FSI "Programmatic Spanish" vs "Basic"

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czech
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 Message 17 of 68
06 July 2005 at 10:30pm | IP Logged 
Programmatic Spanish 1 contains 417 words, while FSI Basic Spanish contains 775.
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 Message 18 of 68
18 July 2005 at 8:42pm | IP Logged 
Example structure of a Programmatic Spanish lesson,
using unit 22 as an example. Lines with an asterisk
have some recorded material.
    
Pages 1-12 cover grammar points - no recording.    
    
* Dialog - recorded somewhat like Basic Spanish.    
    
Observations and Practice (discusses reflexive verbs)    
    
Practice 1 - translate sentences into English.    
Practice 2 - translate sentences from P1 into Spanish.    
Practice 3 - translate sentences into English.   
Practice 4 - translate sentences from P3 into Spanish   
Practice 5 - translate sentences into English   
Practice 6 - translate sentences from P5 into Spanish   
   
* Practice 7 - variation exercise. 4 sentences are   
varied into 29. A little like Basic Spanish, except   
the English translations are written in Practice 8 and   
not spoken. This is more of a listen, repeat, and   
understand what you said exercise than Basic's
variation/translation version.
Practice 8 - Translation of sentences spoken in P7.   

* Practice 9 - You are prompted with a noun and are to
say "¿El suyo or el mío?" (vary gender and number).   
Think "Yours or mine?"
* Practice 10 - You are prompted with a noun and are to
say "¿El suyo or el mío?" (vary gender and number).   
This is basically same as P9, except you are to think,
"Theirs or mine?"
* Practice 11 - hear the same nouns as in P9 and P10,
but say "A ____ of mine". (Un carro mío.)

* Comprehension - 10 short dialog fragments. This is
about 36 sentences you should be able to understand. I
edit the sound so there is room to repeat the sentence,
which isn't always the case. A transcript is in the
instructors manual.

Applications section - none of this is recorded. No
answers are given:
30 sentences to be translated from English to Spanish.   
10 sentences in Spanish with a single error for you to
find.
10 questions you should be prepared to answer.
5 very short dialogs (4 sentences per dialog).
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 Message 19 of 68
19 July 2005 at 12:10pm | IP Logged 
So that lesson is completely translation exercises?
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 Message 20 of 68
19 July 2005 at 6:04pm | IP Logged 
There's a lot of translations with no recorded audio in
the last few units I've done. As indicated in the
previous post, there were some non-translation
practices as well as instructions on the language.

I've moved my opinion from toss up between whether
Basic or Programmatic is better to liking Basic more.   
But if you're a book learner, Programmatic is designed
more for that.

One thing I just started doing with Basic is reading
the lesson at night. (I listen to the lesson while
commuting). This extra review helps me to focus on the
phrases that didn't make sense and to clarify grammar
points. It's an offshoot of Katia's suggestion to
focus on a comprehensive program. I mention it because
as a visual learner, looking at the book helps a lot.

I'd be curious which course people working for the FSI
use. My guess would be, diplomats would use the Basic
course, and people going into the Peace Corps would use
Programmatic because it's a shorter course and would be
cheaper, since there is less teacher involvement. I
had a friend who did Russian for the Peace Corp a
couple years ago. The language training was only about
3 months. (Peace Corps is a 2 year commitment). I
don't know what course he used.
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czech
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 Message 21 of 68
19 July 2005 at 6:23pm | IP Logged 
I'd be interested too. Also, why don't the last 5 lessons have audio? Was it meant to be like this or was it because the funding wasn't there and the plug got pulled, but they decided to write the next 5 lessons out anyway? I wonder if Platiquemos (Don Casteel) can answer this. Of course he's not there anymore but he said he used both at the FSI.


Edited by czech on 19 July 2005 at 6:25pm

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chaserella
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 Message 22 of 68
20 July 2005 at 3:51pm | IP Logged 
I have just bought Barron's Mastering Spanish 1 and will soon get the second set. I have been taking Spanish for three years and am going into my fourth year. I am tired of not being able to understand Spanish, so i am taking the bull by the horns and beining to study on my own. My main concern is that Mastering Spanish 1 and 2 will not be enough to bring me to fluency. I plan on building vocab by reading an article or two in Spanish every day and watching the Spanish channel. The FSI programs at audio forum are very expensive, but they have four levels instead of two like Barron's. My question is does the Barron's Mastering Spanish 1 and 2 cover what audio forum's FSI Spanish Beginner, Intermediate, and Advanced A and B?

Edited by Malcolm on 22 July 2005 at 7:33pm

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czech
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 Message 23 of 68
20 July 2005 at 5:20pm | IP Logged 
No. Barron's does not have any of the material from Audioforum. Barron's carries the Basic Spanish course, which is comparable to Audioforum's first two levels, which are Programmatic Spanish. I too, have Barron's 1 and 2. If I finish these, and Advanced A and B from Audioforum, I'll be fluent. You're going to need the last two, how far are you along in level 1?

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 Message 24 of 68
20 July 2005 at 7:44pm | IP Logged 
It is in the mail! Hopefully it will get here soon. I plan to study hard and with a little luck finish around Christmas at which point i will be taking up Japanese, but only if my Spanish is fluent!
   


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