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| Katie Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6529 days ago 495 posts - 599 votes  Speaks: English*, Hungarian Studies: French, German | Message 25 of 30 23 June 2009 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | |||||
Ha ha ha .... no comment...... :P 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jaujau Newbie United States kafirtiti.blogspot.cRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5444 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes Studies: English*, Japanese | Message 26 of 30 23 June 2009 at 10:49pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm glad, after reading these comments, that I am not the only messy learner. In fact I have found, thanks to the internet, a whole variety of ways to learn. For example, RAI Radio (Italian) has live streams from all of its 6 different stations, and I can record them to realplayer and make mp3s for listening on my player, or cds to play in my car. Listening to broadcasts is by far my favorite activity. Downloading podcasts is another, but the best, which I discovered through ANKI is smart.fm! So many things there, I can't begin to tell you.
Immediately after highschool, after taking so many years of French and incapable of speaking it, I had to become more eclectic, since I couldn't afford recorded language programs. I got a cheap but good shortwave radio, I also kept a diary in the languages I studied, and had penpals. I read magazines and papers whenever I could find them, but mostly it was tuning my ear to the sound of naturally spoken language and recognizing the musical qualities of each language. Doing this not only helped me to speak that language with better pronunciation, but it helped me identify regional dialects. Writing my thoughts in the language also helped me to be able to think all the time in the language. These are things I wished we'd learned in school. I think edurbation (self education) is the best way to go. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| sixbeat Pentaglot Newbie United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5440 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Speaks: German, Tagalog*, English, Swedish, Dutch | Message 27 of 30 27 June 2009 at 6:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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You're wasting a lot of your time - studying Spanish shouldn't be hard.
Just use Michel Thomas and a dictionary. However, the most important part is getting a Spanish partner to speak it with - if you don't have one, might as well just waste your time with something else. Edited by sixbeat on 27 June 2009 at 6:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6705 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 28 of 30 29 June 2009 at 1:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
Good one. I had to check this one out too. I had a feeling "pour" wasn't right and tried looking at "poor" in the dictionary but that doesn't seem to exist as a verb. Eventually the correct spelling turned out to be something else again. Take it as an exercise, or hide and seek if you will (hint: especially hide). Edited by Hencke on 29 June 2009 at 1:05pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6083 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 29 of 30 29 June 2009 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I am probably a fairly messy learner. It is not as planned out as I think it should be. I am prone to pulling out a pocket dictionary or vocabulary cards at odd moments throughout the day. The cumulative effect is substantial, but I wonder how much more progress I would make if I was more methodical?
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5822 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 30 of 30 29 June 2009 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | |||||
Well, there's being methodical and then there's being inflexible. What you're doing now appears to be working for you, but you probably don't really know what you're actually doing.* In making a methodical plan, you would be consciously setting a routine. If you set out a routine without knowing clearly what works and what doesn't, you might just set out an inefficient or even ineffective routine. * Please don't take this personally in any way. It is almost universally true that people who are good at doing something don't really understand what they're doing, which is why most people can't teach. Maybe there was a guy in your high school class who was a demon on the guitar, but when he tried to teach someone else how to play he failed. Many successful athletes have tried to consciously improve their performance, but have gotten worse when they tried to improve their training routines -- they didn't know what part of their existing routine was really successful, so they couldn't incorporate it into their routine. So the advantage of "messy" learning is it allows the brain to find a (more or less) efficient method subconsciously, neatly avoiding the limits of the learner's (or even teacher's) conscious knowledge. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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