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Delodephius
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 Message 17 of 44
28 April 2010 at 12:24am | IP Logged 
1qaz2wsx wrote:
Dialect or separate language can be a political question.Serbian and Croatian are almost identical but they are considered different languages.So is bulgarian and makedonski which in some cases artifficialy distanced itself from bulgarian with the introduction of serbian words and elements of serbian grammar.In Chinese exist many 'dialects' which are totally unintelligible with each other.Yet they are still considered Chinese,part of the Chinese language.

You really can't force yourself to call it Macedonian can you?! :-P
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1qaz2wsx
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 Message 18 of 44
28 April 2010 at 7:35am | IP Logged 
Delodephius wrote:
1qaz2wsx wrote:
Dialect or separate language can be a political question.Serbian and Croatian are almost identical but they are considered different languages.So is bulgarian and makedonski which in some cases artifficialy distanced itself from bulgarian with the introduction of serbian words and elements of serbian grammar.In Chinese exist many 'dialects' which are totally unintelligible with each other.Yet they are still considered Chinese,part of the Chinese language.

You really can't force yourself to call it Macedonian can you?! :-P


For me Macedonian refers to ancient Macedonian which has nothing to do with Makedonski,a slavic language.It also refers to a dialect of modern greek as it is spoken in the greek province of Macedonia.Calling this slavic language Macedonian causes a lot of confusion and it seems that all the above mentioned (ancient Macedonian,Macedonian variant of Greek,slavic modern Macedonian) are one and the same.Which they aren't.

As you may know,this is a highly political and a very touchy issue in Greece.Neveltheless, the Makedonskis themselves call their language Makedonski.So what would be more natural than calling it Makedonski in English,too?Just to avoid this confusion with the names.And by the way no one calls this language Makedonski in Greece.The term 'skopiana' is generally used.
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Delodephius
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 Message 19 of 44
28 April 2010 at 10:15am | IP Logged 
In whole of the world people call it Macedonian. In all the Slavic languages the language is called Macedonian. When you say Macedonian no one thinks of anything to do with Greece or Greeks. Calling it Makedonski outside of quoting the Macedonian language is an insult to the language and its people, because in English that language is called Macedonian. To me there is never confusion: Ancient Macedonian (an unknown ancient language), Macedonian Greek (dialect of the Greeks who settled in Macedonia in the last few centuries) and Macedonian (the language of the ethnic Macedonian people). No confusion.
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1qaz2wsx
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 Message 20 of 44
28 April 2010 at 10:43am | IP Logged 
Delodephius wrote:
Calling it Makedonski outside of quoting the Macedonian language is an insult to the language and its people


What an argument!It's like saying that calling the English language 'English' in a foreign language would be and insult to the English language and its people.

Well,to make a long story short,you and the rest of the whole world can call it macedonian.I choose to call it makedonski.

Edited by 1qaz2wsx on 28 April 2010 at 12:08pm

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 Message 21 of 44
28 April 2010 at 9:46pm | IP Logged 
Delodephius wrote:
In all the Slavic languages the language is called Macedonian.

In russian,bulgarian,serbian and all the other slavic languages, this language is called macedonian???It's called makedonski in all slavic languages and obviously you do not make any sense at all.

Edited by 1qaz2wsx on 28 April 2010 at 9:48pm

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Gusutafu
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 Message 22 of 44
29 April 2010 at 10:44am | IP Logged 
1qaz2wsx wrote:
Delodephius wrote:
In all the Slavic languages the language is called Macedonian.

In russian,bulgarian,serbian and all the other slavic languages, this language is called macedonian???It's called makedonski in all slavic languages and obviously you do not make any sense at all.


Well, do you call English "English" in French just because the English themselves call it that? Of course not, you say "anglais", if you say "parlez-vous English" people will think you're mad.
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1qaz2wsx
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 Message 23 of 44
29 April 2010 at 11:47am | IP Logged 
Gusutafu wrote:
1qaz2wsx wrote:
Delodephius wrote:
In all the Slavic languages the language is called Macedonian.

In russian,bulgarian,serbian and all the other slavic languages, this language is called macedonian???It's called makedonski in all slavic languages and obviously you do not make any sense at all.


Well, do you call English "English" in French just because the English themselves call it that? Of course not, you say "anglais", if you say "parlez-vous English" people will think you're mad.

Still,that does not mean this would be an insult to the English language and its people.

Edited by 1qaz2wsx on 29 April 2010 at 12:21pm

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Ayazid
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 Message 24 of 44
29 April 2010 at 2:20pm | IP Logged 
Could somebody be so kind as to explain to me what has the name of Macedonian to do with the topic of this thread (Ukrainian vs Russian)??


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