Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5494 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin
| Message 9 of 17 26 July 2009 at 1:06am | IP Logged |
Avoid getting that book at all cost ;)
If reading is the way to go for you then by all means go and get some nice books.
Somebody else also wrote that he/she likes to use German computer games, maybe that could be something for you too. Definitely worked for my English :)
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ILuvEire Diglot Newbie United States iluveire.wordpress.cRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5394 days ago 26 posts - 26 votes Speaks: English*, Sign Language Studies: Esperanto, Italian, Arabic (Written), Danish, Japanese
| Message 10 of 17 26 July 2009 at 6:31am | IP Logged |
Hmm, I think that not caring about the gender when learning the word will just cause problems later. For example, for some reason, I've convinced myself that the gender of Zeit is feminine. I don't even know what the correct gender is, no matter how many time I look it up, I've got the bad habit stuck.
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Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5494 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin
| Message 11 of 17 26 July 2009 at 6:37am | IP Logged |
Well, you're right, ILuvEire ;D Seems to work ;P
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Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5668 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese
| Message 12 of 17 26 July 2009 at 1:23pm | IP Logged |
First let me just say that for a 15-year-old, a working knowledge of German and Norwegian is a huge feat. WELL DONE. Whether imperfect or not, you've done an excellent job, and I hope you know that.
Have you tried learning it as a sole unit, rather than labelling the articles as 'gender'? Maybe if you think of das Mädchen as ONE word 'das+Mädchen', not 'Mädchen' and it's sidekick 'das', you might pick up the whole thing rather than just the word. Because it really is like that, the gender of the word is just as much a part of it as the vowels and consonants and individual syllables in the main part of the word. Maybe you can think of it as the first syllable of the word...
Also be careful about how you read things when you understand the noun, it's so easy to not pay attention to the structure itself as long as we understand what we're reading, so we don't notice what article is in front of the word, just that there is one, and it makes sense that it's there.
Liz
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Sean Heiss Newbie United States Joined 5363 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian, Icelandic, Irish
| Message 13 of 17 26 July 2009 at 11:17pm | IP Logged |
Well, I only know German and Norwegian at an intermediate level. :P
I started learning German in April 2008, and Norwegian in December 2008. Neither are difficult at all, actually both are quite easy for me.
Yesterday I watched Die Simpsons: Der Film (which happens to be one of my favorite movies) along with the subtitles, and was glad that I understood most of it, and was able to forget about the words I didn't know and still understood it fine. :)
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Well, that was what I was doing, so when I start learning German again, I'll try doing that. I've been saying "et" or "en" along with the Norwegian word when I look it up, and that works, but unfortunately there isn't anything like that for Irish, since it doesn't have indefinite articles, and the definite articles are the same for both genders. :/
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Cabaire Senior Member Germany Joined 5358 days ago 725 posts - 1352 votes
| Message 14 of 17 27 July 2009 at 12:31am | IP Logged |
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Of course the article in Irish differs depending on gender also. Before feminine nouns, it is "an plus lenition", before masculine it is "an without lenition", but with t-prefix if it starts with a vowel. I always think of the mutations as part of the word, which triggers it.
So if you learn bean, an bhean (woman) or fear, an fear (man), you know which is masculine and which is feminine, because it is not *an bean or *an fhear. It does not work for words like "an tine" (the fire), were the lenition is blocked, or an lá (the day), were it is not written, or an náire (the shame), were it is impossible respectively, but for most nouns, this helps.
So to learn "an bhean" is in my eyes as helpful as "das Mädchen".
Also most masculine nouns end in a broad, most feminine in a slender consonant. This gives also a clue.
Ingeborg.
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JonB Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6024 days ago 209 posts - 220 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Italian, Dutch, Greek
| Message 15 of 17 27 July 2009 at 10:56am | IP Logged |
Just out of interest, I wonder which Celtic language has more living native speakers - Irish or Welsh?
I guess it is probably Welsh? I think I once heard that there are still about 250000 native speakers in the northern and western parts of Wales.
I've also heard it said that Welsh is (slightly!) easier to learn than Irish...
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Sean Heiss Newbie United States Joined 5363 days ago 6 posts - 6 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian, Icelandic, Irish
| Message 16 of 17 27 July 2009 at 9:09pm | IP Logged |
Yeah, Welsh has the most, but I much prefer Irish to Welsh. Welsh is boring to me. :D
Cabaire, tá aithne dhom ar ndóigh, but I haven't thought about using that, since so far I am able to remember the gender without doing that, but I can try that if I need to. :)
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