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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6943 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes  20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 121 of 171 18 August 2010 at 6:36am | IP Logged | |||||
There's actually little argument on this point. However it's talking about something different. Incidentally this method is how companies such as Multilingual Books, mapstoanywhere.com, and Barron's (see the "Mastering" Series) make money on reselling FSI courses in addition to Plurality Language Inc., Langocity et al. Because products of the US federal government are almost always in the public-domain in the USA (there are exceptions depending on when or how that material was created), there's nothing illegal about an American taking what's in the public-domain and then redistributing it for free or for a fee in the USA. Moreover a good being in the public-domain may lead to a situation where any user can take that good, alter it trivially or non-trivially, and then impose a copyright on the altered good. However it's up to the user to determine whether it's worth paying a few hundred dollars for a reprint and tapes converted to CD, or not. Strictly speaking, anyone who gets the FSI course bought from a private reseller and redistributes (with or without payment) could justifiably face legal problems from the reseller if it has imposed a copyright after having done some alteration, however minor or superficial it is. At the same time, a reseller would have a tough time intimidating someone else legally and effectively if that second person were giving away copies of FSI courses which had been bought directly from the federal government in the form of NTIS, rather than buying from any privately-run reseller. From the reseller's point of view, it looks like undercutting when someone gives away a FSI course (however if that FSI course in question came straight from NTIS, the reseller can rant and rave all he or she wants, but the fact remains that the reseller's "merchandise" is not involved). It has nothing to do with stealing (as a reseller may see it) or getting your taxpayers' dollars worth (as how a non-reselling American taxpayer may see it). The more important and overarching fact is that something that's public-domain in the USA allows it to be used in ways that copyrighted material cannot be in the USA. The other facts about resellers charging less than NTIS, or that taxpayers have effectively paid for the creation of federal government products, or that people prefer to get something for nothing are beside the point. In fact it is because there is useful material in public-domain that actually give a chance to resellers to even dream of making a quick buck using such old material as the core inventory. Basically stocking up the inventory with something that's in the public domain helps keep costs down for the reseller. Otherwise the reseller has to actually think harder and come up with something from scratch to offer for sale. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6890 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 123 of 171 18 August 2010 at 11:22am | IP Logged | |||||
I'm not quite sure what point you're making here... if it's free, it's free and if it ain't it has to be paid for?
I don't think François' going to be moving to the Bahamas on the back of this. The ads and donations help fund the hosting costs - nothing more. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6016 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 125 of 171 18 August 2010 at 1:27pm | IP Logged | |||||
True. Please let's try to keep this thread related to download links for the DLI courses. We can debate the legitimacy of public domain on a separate thread if you wish. Thanks! 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| mpete16 Diglot Groupie Germany Joined 5309 days ago 98 posts - 114 votes Speaks: Tagalog, English* Studies: German | Message 126 of 171 18 August 2010 at 2:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
Do yourself a favour and look in a mirror.
What did you see in the mirror? An idiot! "your" is a possessive pronoun. I'm pretty sure you mean "you're". (more proof that you're an idiot) You sound like you've got lots of time in your hands to argue, are you jobless or something? This forum is for people who like (or love) learning languages, and this thread is there to help them obtain these language-learning materials. There's no need to act like a complete retard. If you want to, start a new thread, and name it "Come on jobless retards, let's argue!". I'm pretty sure you'll be the only poster on that thread. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5372 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French | Message 127 of 171 18 August 2010 at 3:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
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If your post is offensive, or provokes fighting, I suggest you delete it now before a moderator does. Let's stay on topic people!
Anyways. Can anyone kindly link me to the DLI Russian course? I've had absolutely NO LUCK trying to find it :( 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 newyorkeric Diglot Moderator Singapore Joined 6166 days ago 1598 posts - 2174 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Mandarin, Malay Personal Language Map | Message 128 of 171 18 August 2010 at 3:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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jaylr,
You obviously have some axe to grind, but this isn't the place to do it, especially considering the tone of your posts. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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