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hjordis
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 Message 1657 of 3737
22 May 2011 at 7:07pm | IP Logged 
Kuikentje wrote:
hjordis wrote:
Kuikentje wrote:
LebensForm wrote:
Yes finally someone agrees with me on this!!!! Gramatically it's you have. du hast- hast comes from HABEN to have, on the other hand, haßt comes from HAßEN to hate. And yes I agree it does sound similar to you hate, the English version says "you hate me" BUT that does not translate word for word from German to English.

lol I like your last comment :)

You know you're a language nerd when just typing that made your blood pressure rise at least 10 points...


Yes, but you know you're a language nerd when you have read "haßt" and "haßen" and have thought, oh no!! Those are the old-fashioned spelling!! after the German Spelling Reform you must spell those "hasst" and "hassen".
You know you're a language nerd when your immediate, very strong response to reading that is "No! I love my ß!"


Don't worry!!! The sweet ß isn't dead, but now after the long vowels, for example Spaß, heißt etc "Hasst" is a short "a" therefore the "ss" not "ß"
Even so. You can never have enough ß.
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Levi
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 Message 1658 of 3737
22 May 2011 at 10:25pm | IP Logged 
Kuikentje wrote:
LebensForm wrote:
Yes finally someone agrees with me on this!!!! Gramatically it's you have. du hast- hast comes from HABEN to have, on the other hand, haßt comes from HAßEN to hate. And yes I agree it does sound similar to you hate, the English version says "you hate me" BUT that does not translate word for word from German to English.

lol I like your last comment :)

You know you're a language nerd when just typing that made your blood pressure rise at least 10 points...


Yes, but you know you're a language nerd when you have read "haßt" and "haßen" and have thought, oh no!! Those are the old-fashioned spelling!! after the German Spelling Reform you must spell those "hasst" and "hassen".

...when you have to point out that, even before the spelling reform, the word "hassen" was spelled "hassen". "Haßen" was never a word, since the ß would imply a long A, though the ß was used in certain conjugations like "du haßt", and the noun was "der Haß".

Edited by Levi on 22 May 2011 at 10:28pm

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LebensForm
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 Message 1660 of 3737
23 May 2011 at 5:24am | IP Logged 
Wow...

You know you're a language nerd when you actually got enjoyment out of reading like 7 comments devoted to the ß

So haßen isn't correct? but du haßt (you hate) is? Just want to make sure...thanks for clearning that ß business up for me :)
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Levi
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 Message 1661 of 3737
24 May 2011 at 1:58am | IP Logged 
Yes. The verb was spelled "hassen" and the conjugation was:

ich hasse
du haßt
er haßt
wir hassen
ihr haßt
sie hassen

past tense: ich haßte, du haßtest...
past participle: gehaßt

Basically, the "ss" changed to "ß" when it preceded a "t".

Edited by Levi on 24 May 2011 at 1:58am

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LebensForm
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 Message 1662 of 3737
24 May 2011 at 5:31am | IP Logged 
Thanks for clearing that up :)

So why isn't the ß used anymore accept when preceeded by a t?

I'm actually kind of fond of the ß. :)

Edited by LebensForm on 24 May 2011 at 5:32am

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Levi
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 Message 1663 of 3737
24 May 2011 at 5:45am | IP Logged 
The ß is only used after long vowels now. Since "hassen" has a short A, none of the forms use the ß anymore (it's now written "du hasst", "ich hasste", "wir haben gehasst", etc.)

It was changed since having an ß after short vowels caused some confusion in pronunciation, since "Haß" (now "Hass") did not rhyme with words like "Spaß" and "Maß", and "haßt" (now "hasst") did not rhyme with words like "aßt" and "maßt".
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LebensForm
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 Message 1664 of 3737
24 May 2011 at 6:06am | IP Logged 
Oh ok, interesting to know... thanks!! =)

YKYALN when you have more German songs on your Ipod than English ones...

You also know your a language nerd when you get more pleasure out of listening to somewhat outdated German music than listening to your local radio station of the current music everyone seems to know but you.


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