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| aliebe Diglot Pro Member United States Joined 5622 days ago 59 posts - 63 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Spanish Personal Language Map | Message 9 of 23 19 September 2009 at 10:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have both books with audio, and find that the New French with Ease is very good for learning a more current
French, also it introduces grammar more slowly, which is not bad as one can easily start to get anxious about romance language tenses and pronouns. I just returned from a week in France and having completed the first 60 lessons in New French with Ease, was pleasantly surprised at how useful some of the vocab i had learned actually was. Now that being said I enjoy supplementing with the French without Toil because I figure one cannot get enough graded input. Also the exercises are better, in my opinion, because they are a little more rational with the grammar points being impressed. And the songs! So I would say, use both. But if you only get one, get the New French with Ease. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| John_2009 Newbie India Joined 5332 days ago 4 posts - 5 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French | Message 10 of 23 20 September 2009 at 8:54am | IP Logged | |||||
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Thanks a lot for the replies...
I plan to take up DELF this year end. I was wondering what level I would be at after completing Assimil, if I can manage. I have already completed Michel Thomas Basic. Any suggestions/comments would be really welcome. Thanks John 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6992 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 11 of 23 25 September 2012 at 11:16am | IP Logged | |||||
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I noticed at the bottom of every few lessons in French Without Toil a reference to the recording (vinyl disk) that goes with the lesson. Apparently there were 31 disks for the 140 lesson course. That would be about 2 lessons average per side of the record. I mention that because the course suggests one always listen to the whole record each time, and not just the current lesson. That would be 2 lessons.
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 emk Diglot Moderator United States Joined 5319 days ago 2615 posts - 8806 votes Speaks: English*, FrenchB2 Studies: Spanish, Ancient Egyptian Personal Language Map | Message 12 of 23 25 September 2012 at 12:44pm | IP Logged | |||||
Either the DELF A2 or the B1 would be possible goals. The A2 exam tends to focus on survival and basic tourism in French- speaking environment. The B1 combines truly independent tourism with some slightly more advanced reading comprehension. These exams are diploma exams and not just evaluations of your level (which is provided by the TCF). In practice, this means that you're expected to be familiar with the format of the exams and to actually study a bit. You'll definitely want to practice basic writing on lang-8 or with a teacher if some kind. And of course, you need to decide which level to take in advance. A less stressful goal might be to take the TCF, even though the results are only good for two years. This exam is used to assess your level, so you don't need to pick a level in advance and gamble everything on meeting it. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5352 days ago 938 posts - 1839 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 13 of 23 25 September 2012 at 3:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
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If you want to learn French as a modern language and to speak do New French With Ease
first. Ideally, do French Without Toil second. It is a charming book (I have gone through it 3 times now), and you will learn a great deal from it, but it is archaich and disorganised. New French With Ease is one of the best introductions to French there is (although I would still do something like Michel Thomas or Paul Noble first if you have never learnt French before.) 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 newyorkeric Diglot Moderator Singapore Joined 6166 days ago 1598 posts - 2174 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Mandarin, Malay Personal Language Map | Message 14 of 23 25 September 2012 at 4:50pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Exactly my thoughts about Italian With Ease and Italian Without Toil. The design of the new one is a lot better for a newbie but the old one has a lot of charm and is worth working through after getting comfortable with Italian With Ease.
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| Elexi Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5352 days ago 938 posts - 1839 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, German, Latin | Message 15 of 23 25 September 2012 at 4:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I should add that there were not 31 disks with FWT - The original 78s had 5 lessons per
side making 14 disks and in the 60s FWT was re-recorded and transfered to 7' singles and then re-recorded again on 3 cassettes in the 70s and early 80s. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6992 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 16 of 23 02 November 2012 at 8:38am | IP Logged | |||||
In the 1940 edition printed in 1967, the end of lesson 4 says:
It's really just a curiosity that I was noting in the context of how many lessons did the course suggest reviewing or revising at a time back in the olden days. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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