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sebngwa3
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28 October 2009 at 9:23pm | IP Logged 
...'S' would be nasalised, not 'n', right?

as in 先生 and せんしゅ.


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That's correct.
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29 October 2009 at 7:43am | IP Logged 
It depends on the pronunciation after ん。

1.In ば.ぱ.ま lines, ん is pronounced as「m」, for example, さんぽ(散歩).しんぶん(新聞)。

2.In た.だ.ら.な lines, ん...「n」, ..., もんだい(問題).しんねん(新年)。

3.In the other syllables & at the end of vocabularies, ん...「ng」, ヘンか(変化).ばん(晩)。

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29 October 2009 at 9:20am | IP Logged 
Sounds like fairly clear 'n' sounds to me.

http://smart.fm/items/772376-sensei
http://smart.fm/items/855570-senshu

The clearly nasalized sounds tend to appear before vowels.

http://smart.fm/items/436308-gen-in
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29 October 2009 at 1:06pm | IP Logged 
chaneel wrote:
Sounds like fairly clear 'n' sounds to me.
http://smart.fm/items/772376-sensei
http://smart.fm/items/855570-senshu


Those sound pretty nasal to me.

A generally good strategy is to treat ん as a nasal as often as possible, and let the shifts to n, ng, and m come
naturally due to the following consonant.
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02 March 2010 at 8:47pm | IP Logged 
Depending on the speaker, the speed and the context, you will get anything from n to a nasal e.

Do notice, however, that that ん in standard dialect is where the pitch goes up from the previous low pitch. In other words, I wouldn't be surprised if phonetic analysis of the first syllable of sensei showed se (barely nasalized if at all) followed by a nasal e.

In a word like shinbun, you can even find shimbum with a nasal u.
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12 February 2018 at 2:51pm | IP Logged 
YoshiYoshi wrote:
It depends on the pronunciation after ん。

1.In ば.ぱ.ま lines, ん is pronounced as「m」, for example, さんぽ(散歩).しんぶん(新聞)。

2.In た.だ.ら.な lines, ん...「n」, ..., もんだい(問題).しんねん(新年)。

3.In the other syllables & at the end of vocabularies, ん...「ng」, ヘンか(変化).ばん(晩)。


Wow... Japanese rule for "n" is quite similar to Arabic...


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