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Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5293 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian
| Message 113 of 169 18 November 2012 at 4:24pm | IP Logged |
Technically you are right that Bokmål is not a spoken language. In actual fact, Standard Eastern Norwegian
(the dialect spoken in and around Oslo and in the larger part of Eastern Norway) is pretty much identical to
Bokmål. To be frank I think there are political reasons for not admitting that fact. Nynorsk does not have a
spoken variant since it is a sort of West Norwegian Esperanto. To make it "fair" the same is said about
Bokmål. I would be very interested in hearing what actual differences could be found between the spoken
and the written variant. I am not aware of any after having spoken it for the good part of 50 years.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4666 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish
| Message 114 of 169 18 November 2012 at 4:58pm | IP Logged |
louisjanus wrote:
As a Swede, do you think that learning Danish is a non-issue?
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Not a Swede, but Danish and Swedish really have markedly different phonologies and do
have quite a bit of diverging vocabulary, to a much bigger extent than is the case
between Bokmål and Nynorsk if I recall correctly.
Edited by tarvos on 18 November 2012 at 4:59pm
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jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6868 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map
| Message 115 of 169 18 November 2012 at 5:57pm | IP Logged |
Right on the spot. Written Danish doesn't look a bit like spoken Swedish, nor does Danish sound like written Swedish. Whenever I hear Norwegian, my main attention is on the accent, not the vocabulary or the grammar. Whether someone says "eg" or "jeg" is less important (for me as passive Norwegian aficionado).
Indeed, I'm more into (understanding) spoken Norwegian than reading the language, and unless there are some super-obvious phrasings (e.g. "eg" vs. "jeg"), I won't know if I'm reading pure Bokmål or Nynorsk, nor do I care. Sad but true.
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| stifa Triglot Senior Member Norway lang-8.com/448715 Joined 4832 days ago 629 posts - 813 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, EnglishC2, German Studies: Japanese, Spanish
| Message 116 of 169 18 November 2012 at 8:12pm | IP Logged |
Solfrid Cristin wrote:
Technically you are right that Bokmål is not a spoken
language. In actual fact, Standard Eastern Norwegian
(the dialect spoken in and around Oslo and in the larger part of Eastern Norway) is
pretty much identical to
Bokmål. To be frank I think there are political reasons for not admitting that fact.
Nynorsk does not have a
spoken variant since it is a sort of West Norwegian Esperanto. To make it "fair" the
same is said about
Bokmål. I would be very interested in hearing what actual differences could be found
between the spoken
and the written variant. I am not aware of any after having spoken it for the good part
of 50 years. |
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Bokmål is very flexible. The feminine noun gender is optional, for instance. Also, the
use of a-ending of past tense verbs, and so on is up to you.
Nynorsk, on the other hand, uses words like "tilrå" and "høve" instead of "anbefale"
and "anledning" even though Westerners might use the latter set of words, and some
might not even know what "høve" means.
Edited by stifa on 18 November 2012 at 8:14pm
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| limey75 Senior Member United Kingdom germanic.eu/ Joined 4358 days ago 119 posts - 182 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Norwegian, Old English
| Message 117 of 169 18 November 2012 at 9:43pm | IP Logged |
I learnt to read Bokmål, and can I freely admit that some Nynorsk texts cause me some extra effort, especially "ultra-conservative" Nynorsk from around the 1930s or so.
Edited by limey75 on 19 November 2012 at 3:48am
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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4627 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali
| Message 118 of 169 19 November 2012 at 1:32am | IP Logged |
''Radical'' Nynorsk is the one which is close to ''Radical'' Bokmaal ;)
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Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6662 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map
| Message 119 of 169 20 November 2012 at 2:10pm | IP Logged |
Radikalt nynorsk hedder høgnorsk ('High Norwegian'), hvilket minder mig om Tolkiens kunstsprog 'High Elven' (Quenya) ... omend det nok må siges at der er flere fans af Quenya end af Høgnorsk på dette trin af verdenshistorien.
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| daegga Tetraglot Senior Member Austria lang-8.com/553301 Joined 4480 days ago 1076 posts - 1792 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Swedish, Norwegian Studies: Danish, French, Finnish, Icelandic
| Message 120 of 169 20 November 2012 at 2:30pm | IP Logged |
I think the word "progressivt" rather than "radikalt" is used for Nynorsk that looks similar to "radikalt" Bokmål
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