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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5806 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 49 of 169 11 May 2010 at 2:38pm | IP Logged |
Iversen wrote:
Jeg kan sagtens læse dette (ved at forestille mig lydene), men jeg har aldrig set denne skrivemåde før, og den ligner ikke de frisiske tekster jeg har set på internettet - og som i øvrigt varierer ret meget fra vest til øst (bedømt ud fra skrivemåderne).
Der var tidligere et rent sprogkaos i Sønderjylland - med folk side om side der talte frisisk, plattysk, højtysk, sønderjysk og 'standarddansk' (som i hovedsagen er baseret på københavnsk).
Nutildags tvivler jeg på at der stadig tales frisisk i Danmark, og i Tyskland er frisisk stærkt på retur. Det samme gælder plattysk, selv om der i Tyskland stadig er nogle der taler det. Min morfar var lærling i Flensburg i den tyske periode, og han snakkede plattysk med sine arbejdskammerater. Men nu er almindeligt højtysk det eneste man hører på gaden i Flensburg.
Sønderjysk (som er en dansk dialekt) findes, og det gør andre jyske dialekter også, men de er på retur, og de eneste tekster man kan finde på bibliotekerne er gamle støvede hjemstavnsdigte af folk som Aakjær og Berntsen (modsat plattysk, hvor jeg i det mindste har bøger af moderne forfattere som Ina Müller etc.).
Dialekterne har holdt sig bedre i Norge og tildels Sverige, og endnu er der folk der skriver nynorsk, som jeg synes vældig godt om. Bokmål er for en dansker som at række tungen ud af vinduet, - det ligner dansk for mye. |
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I am looking forward to buying a Danish-Dutch dictionary next autumn, as working with my German one from Langenscheidt is not really fun, because it's written with too small letters.
Evaluation Danish reading skills, post NR. 1
en skrivemâde = eine Schreibweise
tidligere = früher
tvivle = twijfelen in het Nederlands (Yes, Dutch is similar to Danish!)
stadig = ständig, immer noch
stöve = stauben
en hjemstavnsdigter = ein Heimatdichter
vaeldig = gewaltig, riesig
raekke tungen = die Zunge herausstrecken
et vindue = ein Fenster, a window
OK, jeg forstod resten.
Fasulye
Edited by Fasulye on 11 May 2010 at 9:25pm
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| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5797 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 50 of 169 11 May 2010 at 8:06pm | IP Logged |
Fasulye wrote:
en skrivemâde = eine Schreibweise EN SKRIVELSE
tidligere = früher TIDIGARE
tvivle = twijfelen in het Nederlands (Yes, Dutch is similar to Danish!) TVIVLA
stadig = ständig, immer noch STADIG, FULLSTÄNDIG, STÄNDIG
stöve = stauben
en hjemstavnsdigter = ein Heimatdichter EN HEMBYGDSDIKT
vaeldig = gewaltig, riesig VÄLDIG
raekke tungen = die Zunge herausstrecken RÄCKA UT TUNGAN
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I added the Swedish to this in CAPS. As you can see, it's similar to Danish, German, Dutch or some combination. Neat, isn't it!
Not sure what this is though: stöve = stauben DAMM? (dust per google, but I never trust that...)
Kämpa på med danskan Fasulye!!! :-)
Edited by cordelia0507 on 11 May 2010 at 8:08pm
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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5806 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 51 of 169 11 May 2010 at 8:12pm | IP Logged |
cordelia0507 wrote:
Fasulye wrote:
en skrivemâde = eine Schreibweise EN SKRIVELSE
tidligere = früher TIDIGARE
tvivle = twijfelen in het Nederlands (Yes, Dutch is similar to Danish!) TVIVLA
stadig = ständig, immer noch STADIG, FULLSTÄNDIG, STÄNDIG
stöve = stauben
en hjemstavnsdigter = ein Heimatdichter EN HEMBYGDSDIKT
vaeldig = gewaltig, riesig VÄLDIG
raekke tungen = die Zunge herausstrecken RÄCKA UT TUNGAN
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I added the Swedish to this in CAPS. As you can see, it's similar to Danish, German, Dutch or some combination. Neat, isn't it!
Not sure what this is though: stöve = stauben DAMM? (dust per google, but I never trust that...)
Kämpa på med danskan Fasulye!!! :-)
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Mange tak, Cordelia!
der Staub = the dust
stauben = stöve = to dust
Thanks for the Swedish equivalents, that's interesting to compare Danish directly with Swedish. - And for your German it's useful as well.
Fasulye
Edited by Fasulye on 11 May 2010 at 8:13pm
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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5806 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 52 of 169 11 May 2010 at 9:44pm | IP Logged |
Undskyld, jeg hâber at je har ikke afbrydet diskussionen her i trâden. Sidste posten var posten fra Iversen.
Fasulye
Edited by Fasulye on 11 May 2010 at 9:53pm
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| cordelia0507 Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5797 days ago 1473 posts - 2176 votes Speaks: Swedish* Studies: German, Russian
| Message 53 of 169 12 May 2010 at 6:39pm | IP Logged |
Inga problem.
Why are there really so many similarities between these languages?
I mean, take a word like "DIKT" (POEM).
It's the same in all the Germanic languages. It's just the spelling that varies a bit.
There are thousands of words like this.
Why?
Are they all "imports" from German? Or is it more of a "fair" swap whereby some of the German words may be imports from the North... ?
Or is an ancient situation, as old as the migration of stone age people around Europe?
Or does it have to do with the "Hansa" era that we all read about in school History?
Or did it happen before then?
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| Derian Triglot Senior Member PolandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5267 days ago 227 posts - 464 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, German Studies: Spanish, Russian, Czech, French, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 54 of 169 22 May 2010 at 8:05pm | IP Logged |
This chart is perfect for this thread:
Quote:
Fig. A. an understanding of spoken language
Norwegians understand 88% of the spoken swedish language
understand 73% of the spoken danish language
Swedes understand 48% of the spoken norwegian language
understand 23% of the spoken danish language
Danes understand 69% of the spoken norwegian language
understand 43% of the spoken swedish language
Fig. B. An understanding of the written language
Norwegians understand 89% of the written swedish language
understand 93% of the written danish language
Swedes understand 86% of the written norwegian language
understand 69% of the written danish language
Danes understand 89% of the written norwegian language
understand 69% of the written swedish language. |
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It's from this very interesting article:
http://www.pagef30.com/2008/08/why-norwegian-is-easiest-lang uage-for.html
Why Norwegian is the easiest language for English speakers to learn
Edited by Derian on 24 May 2010 at 12:28pm
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Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5806 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map
| Message 55 of 169 24 May 2010 at 10:43am | IP Logged |
Derian wrote:
This chart is perfect for this thread:
Quote:
Fig. A. an understanding of spoken language
Norwegians understand 88% of the spoken swedish language
understand 73% of the spoken danish language
Swedes understand 48% of the spoken norwegian language
understand 23% of the spoken danish language
Danes understand 69% of the spoken norwegian language
understand 43% of the spoken swedish language
Fig. B. An understanding of the written language
Norwegians understand 89% of the written swedish language
understand 93% of the written danish language
Swedes understand 86% of the written norwegian language
understand 69% of the written danish language
Danes understand 89% of the written norwegian language
understand 69% of the written swedish language. |
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It's from this very interesting article:
http://www.pagef30.com/2008/08/why-norwegian-is-easiest-lang uage-for.html
Why Norwegian is the easiest language for English speakers to learn |
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Derian, this is very helpful information for me, so I voted for your post. This gives me insight on how understandable the other two languages Norvegian and Swedish will be, as soon as I have enough knowledge of Danish.
Fasulye
Edited by Fasulye on 24 May 2010 at 10:44am
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| egill Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5655 days ago 418 posts - 791 votes Speaks: Mandarin, English* Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch
| Message 56 of 169 24 May 2010 at 12:13pm | IP Logged |
cordelia0507 wrote:
Inga problem.
Why are there really so many similarities between these languages?
I mean, take a word like "DIKT" (POEM).
It's the same in all the Germanic languages. It's just the spelling that varies a bit.
There are thousands of words like this.
Why?
Are they all "imports" from German? Or is it more of a "fair" swap whereby some of the
German words may be imports from the North... ?
Or is an ancient situation, as old as the migration of stone age people around Europe?
Or does it have to do with the "Hansa" era that we all read about in school History?
Or did it happen before then?
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I don't know in general, but in the case of dikt, it appears to have come from
Latin to speak dictare by way of MLG dichten to ON dikt and
finally to the modern Scandinavian languages, at least according to wiki. So, in this
case it's common ancestry. I would guess many other cases are as well, though I have
heard that there have been substantial loanwords from Modern German as well.
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