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| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7210 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 1 of 17 11 March 2005 at 3:54am | IP Logged | ||
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http://www.govtilr.org/PapersArchive/TESOL03ReadingFull.htm
by the FSI has some interesting discussion of lessons they've learned on language teaching. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| administrator Hexaglot Forum Admin Switzerland FXcuisine.com Joined 7381 days ago 3094 posts - 2987 votes 12 sounds Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian Personal Language Map | Message 2 of 17 11 March 2005 at 5:31am | IP Logged | ||
Luke, thanks for this very interesting ressource.
Do you guys think I should rate 'time needed' to learn a language in number of study hours, assuming no previous knoweldge of the target or other related languages? It would be quite a precise statement to make, but we could use the figures quoted by FSI or DLI. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| arnz Newbie United States Joined 7210 days ago 38 posts - 44 votes | Message 3 of 17 11 March 2005 at 9:55am | IP Logged | ||
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What an interesting paper...I had to laugh when it said that reading in a different alphabet was like decoding, after you figure out the letters you have little left to comprehend what you just read. It sure describes my experience in reading russian cyrillic...lol
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| heartburn Senior Member United States Joined 7212 days ago 355 posts - 350 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 4 of 17 11 March 2005 at 11:04am | IP Logged | ||
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Great link, Luke. Thanks.
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| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7210 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 5 of 17 11 March 2005 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | ||
Your 200 hour experience learning Spanish is interesting and you obviously had an effective approach. You're native tongue is closely related to the target language, and Spanish was the third foreign language you learned. Your brilliant too. Putting the information together would be helpful. As I read it, the FSI would expect 1150-1200 hours (class + independant study) for an English speaker to become fluent in Spanish. With effective methods, it seems an English speaker may take a year and a half to become professionaly fluent in Spanish if they studied 2 hours per day. (I don't feel quite as bad now ;) I wonder how valid it would be to hypothesize something like: 1200 hours expected to learn Spanish Divide by 2 if you speak a romance language. Divide by 2 again if you've already learned another foreign language (one you had to study, rather than bilinugual upbringing). Divide by "some factor" again if you've learned two or more foreign languages. Factor increases with number of languages you are proficient in. It seems like a formula could be more general, based upon things like target language's distance from native or other language you're highly skilled at. You've discussed getting a discount learning certain languages if you know other languages. This would be a continuation of that concept. Edited by luke on 06 August 2006 at 4:13pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7210 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 6 of 17 11 March 2005 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | ||
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Which reminds me of the saying, "In theory, practice and theory are the same. In practice, they're different". Edited by luke on 06 August 2006 at 4:14pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7210 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 7 of 17 11 March 2005 at 1:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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Perhaps it's part of someone's doctoral thesis today. Edited by luke on 11 March 2005 at 1:46pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7210 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 8 of 17 11 March 2005 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | ||
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Oops, sorry about that repeated post. I tried to
delete the two extras, but got: An error occurred on the server when processing the URL. Please contact the system administrator. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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