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| elvisrules Tetraglot Senior Member BelgiumRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5258 days ago 286 posts - 390 votes  Speaks: French, English*, Dutch, Flemish Studies: Lowland Scots, Japanese, German | Message 9 of 33 28 December 2009 at 9:47pm | IP Logged |
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Flemish tussentaal
Ik zijn/ben Gij zijt Hij/Zij is Wij zijn Gijle/Gulder zijt Zij zijn geweest West Flemish - Bruges Ik zien Gie zie(t) Je/Zie is Miender zien Giender zie(t) Ziender zien gewist West Flemish - Ieper Ik zyn/benne Gy zy(t) Je/Zy es Tyder zyn gyder zyt Zyder zyn gewist Limburgish - Venloos, Remunjs Ik/Ich bin Doe bis Hae/Zie is Weej zint Geej zeet Zie zint gewaes Limburgish - Maastricht Iech bin Diech bis Heer/Zie is Veer zien Geer ziet Die zien gewees Afrikaans Ek is Jy is Hy/Sy is Ons is Julle is Hulle is gewees 5 persons have voted this message useful | |
| ewomahony Diglot Groupie England Joined 5371 days ago 91 posts - 115 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Italian, French, Afrikaans | Message 10 of 33 28 December 2009 at 9:50pm | IP Logged |
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This is really helpful guys. Keep it up!
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| elvisrules Tetraglot Senior Member BelgiumRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5258 days ago 286 posts - 390 votes Speaks: French, English*, Dutch, Flemish Studies: Lowland Scots, Japanese, German | Message 11 of 33 28 December 2009 at 10:14pm | IP Logged |
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Would you like infinitives, pasts and imperatives too?
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| ewomahony Diglot Groupie England Joined 5371 days ago 91 posts - 115 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Italian, French, Afrikaans | Message 12 of 33 28 December 2009 at 10:23pm | IP Logged |
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At the moment, I'm just interested in infinitives and the present tense. I'll post a reply here when I want to collect the information in other tenses.
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| ewomahony Diglot Groupie England Joined 5371 days ago 91 posts - 115 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Italian, French, Afrikaans | Message 13 of 33 28 December 2009 at 10:28pm | IP Logged |
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@ elvisrules:
What are the infinitives for all the verbs in the various dialects that you posted earlier? 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| elvisrules Tetraglot Senior Member BelgiumRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5258 days ago 286 posts - 390 votes Speaks: French, English*, Dutch, Flemish Studies: Lowland Scots, Japanese, German | Message 14 of 33 29 December 2009 at 1:10am | IP Logged |
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Infinitives
Flemish tussentaal: zijn West Flemish - Bruges: zien West Flemish - Ieper: zyn Limburgish - Venloos, Remunjs: zeen Limburgish - Maastricht: zien Afrikaans: wees Zeelandic: weze(n) plus another two dialects: Zeelandic Ik bin(ne) Jie bin(ne) Ie is Ons bin Julder bin Ulder bin West Flemish - French Flemish zyn Ik zyn Je zyt Hen/Ze is Me/Myder zyn Je/Jyder zyt Ze/Zyder zyn These dialectal spellings are not great though because they can still vary a lot. For French Flemish for example, "zyn" could easily be spelt "zen", "zin", "zien", etc. The subject could also be different such as Jyder, Gyder, etc. IPA wouldn't really help here either. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Grytolle Tetraglot Newbie Sweden Joined 5565 days ago 8 posts - 12 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Flemish, English, Dutch Studies: German | Message 15 of 33 29 December 2009 at 1:53am | IP Logged |
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Antwerpian and is probably the same (phonemically) in most Brabantic (in Flanders) dialects:
ik zèn/zijn (always the shorted vowel of ij) gij zè[d]/zij[d] (idem; and it's phonemically a d, not a t, which also holds true for all other Flemish dialects posted above, and it's etymologically true for standard Dutch too, although I don't know if there are any traces of it still in its current spoken form) hij is -- wVle zèn/zijn (only the same as the form of ik by athematic verbs) gVle zè[d]/zij[d] (always the same as the form of gij) zVle zèn/zijn (always the same as the form of wVle) (the vowel of the plural pronouns shows a lot variation, most commonly a shortened ij or ou or a short ö or u; in Antwerp city they have quite recently replaced wVle by "wij" and "zVle" by "zun", which is supposedly formed ze + hun (they + them/their)) [d] is pronounced as a d before vowels and is completely omitted before consonants, following the normal assimilation pattern for a d or t following another d or t, it turns a following d into a t: "gij zed den beste(n)" => gij zettəm bestə. This omitting only happens by athematic verbs. By other verbs with a stem ending in a voiced sound the d is never omitted but behaves the same for the rest. For example "gij klaagD altijd", but "gij klaaCHT-CHij veul". After voiceless sounds, the ending has become -t (analogous to the weak perfect tense -te(n) as opposed to -de(n) after voiced sounds. The infinitive is always the same as the wVle/zVle form - in all(?) Dutch dialects the infinitive is always the same as the 1st and 3rd person plural. In standard Dutch even the second person plural has adjusted to the other two Should it interest you, the neuter 3rd person singular pronoun is generally [ət] (spelled "het") or [t] (spelled "'t") in Dutch... Elvis seems to have left that out, although he made a nice job researching the feminine and masculine forms above 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Grytolle Tetraglot Newbie Sweden Joined 5565 days ago 8 posts - 12 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Flemish, English, Dutch Studies: German | Message 16 of 33 29 December 2009 at 2:06am | IP Logged |
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ik zijn/ben/bin
gij zij(d) jij/zij/et es/is wulder zijn gulder zij(d) zulder zijn In East Flemish the ending -d (or -t) is always ommited when a consonant follows it, is pronounced normally before a vowel and as a t before a pause --- West-Flemish (see above), and perhaps East-Flemish(?), often has the forms es and e(s) (where the s is only pronounced before vowels (which voice it to a [z])) instead of is. For example: Ja't, 't è' goe [jɑət tæxu:] (literally "yes (it), it's good")... As far as I know, i(s) [ɛ(z)] doesn't exist, though. --- Because of East-Flemish repeating pronouns until lol, you might sometimes hear that it's "wulder zijme", not "wulder zijn", but that's just "wulder zijn me".. For example in this song quote: We zijn me nu al drij j'r t'hôpe, en 't ga precies nog goe (~We've been together for three years now and it is like still going well) Edited by Grytolle on 29 December 2009 at 2:34am 3 persons have voted this message useful |
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