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chenshujian
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24 December 2009 at 6:57pm | IP Logged 
A Japanese friend told me that 出身 was pronounced as "shusshin"

Who can tell me that what the double "s" mean?
I had tried to omit one s,but found that with only one "s",it became 終身 or some other words.
I also need you to tell me the difference in pronunciation between one s and double s?
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TixhiiDon
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24 December 2009 at 11:45pm | IP Logged 
Hi chen, the double consonant sound appears in kanji compounds where the first character ends in つ and the second begins with a "k" sound (かきくけこ), an "s" sound (さしすせそ), a "t" sound (たちつてと) or an "h" sound (はひふへほ).

So in your example, 出 is pronounced しゅつ ("shutsu") and 身 is pronounced しん ("shin"). When they are joined together, the つ is changed to a small っ, so you end up with しゅっしん rather than しゅつしん. The double consonant is pronounced like a long "sh", as if you hold the "sh" sound for a moment.

There are many many examples of this in Japanese.

劣化 = れつ+か = れっか (meaning: deterioration) In romaji, "rekka", pronounced by holding the "k" sound for a moment.
鍍金 = めつ+き = めっき (meaning: plating) "mekki"
喫茶店 = きつ+さ+てん = きっさて ん (cafe) "kissaten"
一致 = いつ+ち = いっち (match) "icchi" (holding the "ch" sound).

With はひふへほ things become more complicated as the "h" sound switches to a "p" sound.

For example:

発表 = はつ+ひょう=はっぴょう (announcement) "happyoo".

There are probably some exceptions, and I may not have covered everything here as I have never really studied Japanese grammar systematically, but I think I've given you the basic rule there.


Edited by TixhiiDon on 24 December 2009 at 11:55pm

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25 December 2009 at 3:37am | IP Logged 
Head over to WWWJDIC, look up

出身 shusshin, hometown/alma mater
主神 shushin, chief god
終身 shuushin, life-time (supply/membership/prison term)

and listen to the audio samples. ssh is longer than sh, and uu is longer than u.
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25 December 2009 at 4:32am | IP Logged 
Japanese is "mora-timed", meaning each syllable is one uniform-length beat, and the word 出身 is four syllables.

Tap out a beat with your hand and say:
shu - sh - shi - nn

しゅ・っ・し・ん 


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26 December 2009 at 7:11am | IP Logged 
Thank you very much,my friends.
Now I think I have a better understanding of 出身.

私は中国出身です。はじめますで。
ありがとうございます。
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21 January 2018 at 4:12pm | IP Logged 
Captain Haddock wrote:
Japanese is "mora-timed", meaning each syllable is one uniform-length beat, and the word 出身 is four syllables.

Tap out a beat with your hand and say:
shu - sh - shi - nn

しゅ・っ・し・ん 



Is it also counted like that in haiku?


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