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| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5710 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 177 of 228 16 July 2011 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Ja, ek sou italiaans hier geskryf men ek het gister 'n baie veel interessant video oor Afri-Frans gesien. Wat is Afri-Frans? Afri-Frans is 'n projek waar frans sangers het gewild afrikaanse leidjies binne die frans taal vertaal en geluidopname. Ek dink nie dat ek die cd in Noord-America mag koop nie, miskien gaan ek dit aanlyn vind. My geliefde liedjie hier is die frans weergawe van stuur groete van mannetjies roux 'n lied dat ek amper twee jaar verlede binne engels het alreeds vertaalde. Ongelukkig vind ek geen video van die frans veergawe van die mannetjies roux lied nie men ek het die frans weergawe van Kinders van die wind en Al lê die berge nog so blou gehoor.
I know I have been writing about Italian but yesterday I found a video about the Afri-Frans project and naturally I had to write about it in Afrikaans. The idea was to translate some well-known Afrikaans into French and then record the French versions. I really want the cd but I doubt I can buy it unless I can find it online. If you haven't already guessed, this post was also my subtle way of admitting I still need to learn more Italian words. Lekker dag Mick Edited by mick33 on 24 July 2011 at 8:34am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5710 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 178 of 228 24 July 2011 at 10:14am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Now for the long-awaited continuation of my post on trapassato prossimo. I've already mentioned when this tense can be used so here are a few sentences: Sono andata a chiesa sua ma tu eri uscito. (I went to church but you had already left.) Avevo chiuso le finestre quando è soffiato il vento. (I closed the window when the wind blew) I'm not sure that last one is right and even if it is correct I still want to think of more sentences which will go into my Italian study notebook. Arrivederci Mick Edited by mick33 on 10 May 2012 at 8:16am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| vilas Pentaglot Senior Member Italy Joined 6746 days ago 531 posts - 722 votes Speaks: Spanish, Italian*, English, French, Portuguese | Message 179 of 228 24 July 2011 at 1:35pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Sono andata a chiesa (sua) ma tu eri uscito. (is more correct to say "Sono andata nella sua chiesa") (I went to (his/her) church but you already went out ) It sounds like you went to the church of John and then realize that Bill already was gone away. ( remember also "andata" is feminine - "andato" is masculine) Avevo chiuso le finestre quando è soffiato il vento The sentence is right but "quando soffiava il vento" is better. ciao 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5710 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 180 of 228 25 July 2011 at 11:35am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Grazie vilas
I see that the mistakes I make when writing Italian are similar to the mistakes I make when writing Spanish, such as forgetting the gender agreement in nouns and trying to write complicated sentences when a simpler sentence would be much better. Buonanotte Mick 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Syntax Bilingual Hexaglot Newbie South Africa Joined 4881 days ago 28 posts - 40 votes Speaks: English*, Afrikaans*, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian Studies: Mandarin | Message 181 of 228 26 July 2011 at 5:22pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Hey Mick
While extremely bored, I stumbled upon you Afrikaans post and thought I should correct it for you :) Take a deep breath. (Oh, and I should warn you, please ignore my Afrikaans spelling. It’s not as good as it should be, and I don’t have an Afrikaans spellchecker on this PC)
oor Afri-Frans gesien” “Ek sou Italiaans hier geskryf” -> Ek sou Italiaans hier geskryf HET. (It’s like ”I would HAVE written Italian here”) “Men” -> MAAR “ ‘n baie veel interessant video” -> “ ‘n baie INTERESSANTE video” (You can’t say “baie veel”, but for emphasis you could say something like “ ‘n VERSKRIKLIKE interessante video”. Also, “interessant” (like many other adjectives) adds an –e before nouns. die frans taal vertaal en geluidopname. “Frans sangers’ -> “FRANSE sangers”; “Gewild afrikaanse leidjies”-> “GEWILDE Afrikaanse liedjies”. (same story :) (Note “liedjies”. “ie” and “ei” are two very different sounds. “Geluidopname”-> Opgeneem (I assume) “Binne die frans taal” -> NA FRAANS (I’ve heard people say “die Franse taal”, but that doesn’t sound very natural to me) “…het vertaal en opgeneem” is correct in simple sentences and some compound sentences. Some conjunctions, however, require a change in word order. Compare “Dit het gebeur” to “Dit is waar dit gebeur het”. So, the entire sentence should read “Afri-Frans is ‘n projek waar Franse sangers gewilde Afrikaanse liedjies na Fraans vertaal en opgeneem het.” aanlyn vind “Mag” -> “kan” (“mag” indicates permission. “ek mag dit koop” means “I am allowed to buy it) “gaan…vind” -> “vind” (this is a bit finicky, but the present tense seems more natural to me) So “miskien vind ek dit aanlyn”. I give you my permission to ignore this next point: “Ek dink nie dat ek die CD in Noord-Amerika kan koop nie” -> “ek dink nie ek kan die CD in Noord-Amerika koop nie” (It’s faster and easier to say, but yours is perfectly fine :) roux 'n lied dat ek amper twee jaar verlede binne engels het alreeds vertaalde. “geliefde liedjie” is fine, I think. I haven’t really heard it, but it might make perfect sense (in a weird, deep kind of way. It’s hard to explain). I’d just say “gunsteling liedjie” Again, “Frans weergawe” -> “Franse weergawe” vertaalde” “Dat”->”wat” “Verlede”->”gelede” (Verlede=past; gelede=ago) Complete sentence: “ ‘n Lied wat ek amper twee jaar gelede reeds na Engels vertaal het” (vertaalde=translated, yes. But it can’t be used like this. You might say “die vertaalde lied”, but not often) lied nie men ek het die frans weergawe van Kinders van die wind en Al lê die berge nog so blou gehoor. “Ongelukkig vind ek geen video van die frans weergawe…nie” -> “ongelukkig KAN ek geen video van die FRANSE weergawe… vind nie” “men”-> “maar” (“MEN” does NOT exist in Afrikaans) That’s all, I think (hope). Once again, forgive my terrible Afrikaans spelling. I hope my corrections didn't confuse you xD Ps- There is also a Afri-Spaans CD :D Ciao 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5710 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 182 of 228 28 July 2011 at 11:18am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Your corrections are are very helpful and help me get some ideas of what I need to learn so that I can improve my written Afrikaans.
I don't know why this is, but I never remember how to use "het" when it is at the end of a sentence, so that's something I will need to focus on. Typing "men" instead of "maar" is a little embarassing. I know the Afrikaans word is "maar" and typing "men" must have been interference from Swedish. "Veel"? That could have been interference from Dutch, even though I don't really know Dutch. I forgot, or never knew, that "interessant" takes an -e before a noun; so that is also a good thing to know.
Yes, I meant "opgeneem" there.
So "na Fraans" is better, I was unsure about that one. I know that some of the conjunctions change the word order of a sentence, but I'm still unclear on specific details.
Of course, I should have remembered that "kan" was a better choice, and then the present tence would be natural for the last part of the sentence...Ok, got it.
This is good to know.
I see I've forgotten a bit more vocabulary, I'll need to work on that and make sure I remember that when an adjectives is placed before a noun it adds an -e.
So "gelede" is better, that is a new word for me and I was unsure about "vertaalde" and I see that I really will need learn when I should put "het" at the end of a sentence. More reading will help.
Goeie nag Mick Edited by mick33 on 28 July 2011 at 11:26am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5710 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 183 of 228 29 July 2011 at 8:23am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Jag behövde lyssna på mera svenska så tittade en debatt i eftermiddagen. Debatten var om frågan, "Behöver vi en moralisk kompass?" men debatten var rikitgt om ateism och kristendom. Den har debatt var intressant men inte särskilt originell och debattörerna sade ingenting nu men jag ville bara höra mera svenska. Jag måste erkänna att videon har engelsk undertitlar och utan de jag förstod kanske 30%.
I also realized that I have forgotten the definite and indefinite articles in Italian so I know I will be looking over my notes on them before I go to bed tonight along with practicing Italian pronunciation. When pronouncing Italian words I don't know which syllable should be stressed, sometimes it's obvious that I need to stress the second to last syllable of a word but in many words the stress is on another syllable. Many who read this log probably already know this, but in case you haven't seen the 6WC thread I will focus on Italian in August. hej då ciao Mick Edited by mick33 on 24 January 2013 at 10:13am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5710 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 184 of 228 02 August 2011 at 9:50am | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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My 6 week long Italian challenge began yesterday. I had intended to stay up until 12 am to get an early start but I didn't do that yesterday, as I was more tired than usual on Sunday. What I did do, after getting some sleep and tending to many chores was study Italian for 1 hour and 15 minutes, not enough to be highly ranked on twitter bot's list but hopefully I can find more time for studying today.
I chose to focus on listening and pronunciation, mostly listening to Italian music in attempt to recognize words, I did not recognize many words, maybe 5 to 10% of what I heard but I was a little bit surprised when I realized that English helps me as much as Spanish does when listening to Italian. This is surprising because I believe that written Italian resembles Spanish and French, but because of the variable stress Italian initially sounds like Spanish but with English syllable stress. Well, not really like English, but it seems that in many words I should emphasize a syllable other than the second to last one. Also I was happy to find the the Rai TV website until I saw a message on my screen "Spiacente, la visione di questo filmato è solo agli utenti nel territorio Italiano." and below this I read in somewhat broken, though still intelligible, English "Sorry, this content is resereved to the users in the Italian country." The Italian phrase also shows that the words I don't recognize at all are words such as "agli" and "nel". I am allowed to hear RAI radio so I will do that when I want to listen natural spoken Italian instead of Teach Yourself dialogues or music. Buonanotte Mick EDIT: So many typos in my English, I hope I've caught, and corrected all of them Edited by mick33 on 04 August 2011 at 10:05am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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