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Has anybody tried the Gold List method? | ||
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5163 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes  Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 81 of 222 22 March 2010 at 2:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
It's quite fathomable that a person could try to test out their own theory and yet, not publish their research in a scientific magazine. It's also fathomable that small scale tests might have been conclusive, but that he hasn't had the time, energy or desire to perform scientific tests and to publish them. I'm not saying this makes his assumptions more credible, but the fact that he hasn't published a scientific report is of no bearing on the validity of his claims. Besides, testing it out on a personal level will take little time, little effort and zero money. Edited by Arekkusu on 22 March 2010 at 2:37pm 10 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5517 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 82 of 222 22 March 2010 at 2:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Well said. If something works I don't need scientific research to tell me that it works :) And if it works is being established by our brave forum members at the moment :) 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5163 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 83 of 222 22 March 2010 at 2:48pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5793 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 84 of 222 22 March 2010 at 2:54pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
OK, we have to make the distinction between irregular and regular here. In a regular verb, the forms are all part of one whole. The process isn't just "headword->conjugation", as there are multifaceted links between different forms. The different forms are part of a continuous process, not just independent datapoints.
If we consider the process, there might be something missing from his description: what the heck is his brain doing while he spends 20 minutes writing 25 words? It certainly won't sit and wait, because writing at this speed is not a mentally stimulating or fulfilling process.... I suspect he's developed a habit of focusing down and rolling those words about in his head, thereby "exposing" it actively. But we can't assume everyone will do this, and we can't teach people to do this. Edited by Cainntear on 22 March 2010 at 2:55pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5163 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 85 of 222 22 March 2010 at 3:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Are you suggesting that it's easy to get distracted during that time or that what he does mentally with those words during that time must be either well thought out or instinctively very effective? Are you implying that the fact the method works for him lies not in the method itself but in his ability to process and acquire words efficiently? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5793 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 86 of 222 22 March 2010 at 6:31pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
He doesn't even say how many people have tested it. You can't produce specific details without some kind of study, and even if he just made the study data available for scrutiny, even if not in a peer-reviewed journal, that would be better.
Testing everybody's pet theories on a personal level would take loads of time, loads of effort and loads of money. So we "thin the herd" by making judgements on credibility. He needs to support his claims with data.
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5163 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 87 of 222 22 March 2010 at 7:10pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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None of the vocabulary acquisition methods presented on this site are backed up by any kind of empirical data or "study data available for scrutiny". (Well, that I know of.)
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| Woodpecker Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5593 days ago 351 posts - 590 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), Arabic (Egyptian) Studies: Arabic (classical) | Message 88 of 222 22 March 2010 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I think this is kind of a silly argument. Yeah, the gold-list method is not peer-reviewed, highly counter-intuitive, and generally not incredibly credible. Nevertheless, it's interesting enough that a couple of us are willing to sacrifice a couple of hours a week for the next few months to see if it works for us. It's not scientific, you're right, and we won't be able to justifiably recommend that everyone switch to gold-listing immediately if we turn out to love it. Regardless, even this kind of test can be very helpful. Do you read Amazon reviews before you buy stuff? I bet you do. They're not exactly perfect, but they're still useful enough that everyone reads them. Not everything has to be double-blind and peer-reviewed to death to be valuable.
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