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| Ocius Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5377 days ago 48 posts - 77 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Ancient Greek Studies: French, Latin, Sanskrit | Message 25 of 222 17 March 2010 at 3:38pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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The main problem I have with the "Long Term Memory" versus the "Short Term
Memory" explanation is that these categories are simply not as rigid as he makes them out to be. According to Ebbinghaus (and more rigorous "modern" experiments), the Short Term memory is anything that is stored in memory for approximately 18-20 seconds or less. Long-term memory, while it is more of a "sub-conscious" phenomenon, is not by any standard permanent -- or even necessary a particularly long time. Without repetition and rehearsal, the Long-Term memory forgets things. It can last anywhere from several days to a lifetime, depending on the experience and state of mind of the person. I'm not saying the Gold List method doesn't work. I'm sure it does have its applications and uses -- and the idea of not worrying about "study" but simply enjoying the process definitely has a positive effect on long term memory retention. But when people use "studies" to back up their position when those studies don't actually support what they're saying, it gets under my skin. That's why I'd really like to hear personal success stories. Edited by Ocius on 17 March 2010 at 3:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5168 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 26 of 222 17 March 2010 at 3:45pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
So be it, but the only way seeing a word once is sufficient to learn it, is if you had either heard it before or are going to come across it again. Claiming that being exposed to the word again before the 2 weeks are up is going to corrupt your learning is entirely counter-intuitive. We are constantly exposed to new words and we learn them just fine after a few exposures. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5522 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 27 of 222 17 March 2010 at 3:47pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
...which I was asking for personal experiences :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5168 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 28 of 222 17 March 2010 at 3:53pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Sorry; I guess we lost track of the OP! Well, I'm giving it a go, but it'll take 2 weeks! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Woodpecker Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 5598 days ago 351 posts - 590 votes Speaks: English*, Arabic (Written), Arabic (Egyptian) Studies: Arabic (classical) | Message 29 of 222 17 March 2010 at 6:56pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Except the guy who invented the thing says again and again that it's completely counter-intuitive, and that's the whole point. Ah well, I'm starting my first lists today, so in a few weeks I'll have something more concrete. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5168 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 30 of 222 17 March 2010 at 7:03pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I tend to be skeptical when I hear about magic. I'll say this much: it's obvious to me at this point that though I might remember some of the words I wrote 2 weeks before, it's going to be a lot harder to remember both the word AND the kanji... Perhaps it's because I'm learning Japanese that I was more skeptical from the get-go. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5168 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 31 of 222 17 March 2010 at 11:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Now that I think about it again... Remembering 25 words 2 weeks later after studying for
20 minutes IS unlikely, which is why you'll only remember 30%. Remembering the ones you didn't remember after 2 weeks is also unlikely, which is why you'll only remember 30%. In the end, you studied these words for 80 minutes over 2 months. Why not? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| patrickxb Newbie United States studydeutsch.com Joined 5341 days ago 4 posts - 5 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German | Message 32 of 222 18 March 2010 at 3:28pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I'm trying an experiment of combining the gold list method with the iverson method. I'm skeptical as well that just writing a word down once would ever
allow me to remember it two weeks later, but I think the activity of the Iverson method of memorizing a group of 5-7 words at a time and converting from L2 to L1 to L2 could help. Basically, the gold list method will provide a way to review the lists. I'm doing the Iverson method in groups of 5 since that makes it easy to do the first iteration of the gold list method of 25 words. I'm using the Teutonic word list from The Loom of Language for German. I'm including words I already know. I'll report back in a few weeks... 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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