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Has anybody tried the Gold List method?

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Ocius
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 Message 25 of 222
17 March 2010 at 3:38pm | IP Logged 
The main problem I have with the "Long Term Memory" versus the "Short Term
Memory" explanation is that these categories are simply not as rigid as he makes them
out to be. According to Ebbinghaus (and more rigorous "modern" experiments), the
Short Term memory is anything that is stored in memory for approximately 18-20
seconds or less. Long-term memory, while it is more of a "sub-conscious"
phenomenon, is not by any standard permanent -- or even necessary a particularly
long time. Without repetition and rehearsal, the Long-Term memory forgets things. It
can last anywhere from several days to a lifetime, depending on the experience and
state of mind of the person.

I'm not saying the Gold List method doesn't work. I'm sure it does have its applications
and uses -- and the idea of not worrying about "study" but simply enjoying the process
definitely has a positive effect on long term memory retention. But when people use
"studies" to back up their position when those studies don't actually support what
they're saying, it gets under my skin. That's why I'd really like to hear personal success
stories.

Edited by Ocius on 17 March 2010 at 3:39pm

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 Message 26 of 222
17 March 2010 at 3:45pm | IP Logged 
Pyx wrote:
Woodpecker wrote:
Arekkusu, that's actually not the impression I get at all. I think the point is that if you can recall the word more than two weeks later, after one exposure, you don't need to review it ever again because you know it. It's in the LTM for good. Being exposed to it in the interim actually corrupts the process, because it keeps the STM involved.

That's been my understanding as well

So be it, but the only way seeing a word once is sufficient to learn it, is if you had either heard it before or are going to come across it again. Claiming that being exposed to the word again before the 2 weeks are up is going to corrupt your learning is entirely counter-intuitive. We are constantly exposed to new words and we learn them just fine after a few exposures.
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 Message 27 of 222
17 March 2010 at 3:47pm | IP Logged 
Arekkusu wrote:
Pyx wrote:
Woodpecker wrote:
Arekkusu, that's actually not the impression I get at all. I think the point is that if you can recall the word more than two weeks later, after one exposure, you don't need to review it ever again because you know it. It's in the LTM for good. Being exposed to it in the interim actually corrupts the process, because it keeps the STM involved.

That's been my understanding as well

So be it, but the only way seeing a word once is sufficient to learn it, is if you had either heard it before or are going to come across it again. Claiming that being exposed to the word again before the 2 weeks are up is going to corrupt your learning is entirely counter-intuitive. We are constantly exposed to new words and we learn them just fine after a few exposures.

...which I was asking for personal experiences :)
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 Message 28 of 222
17 March 2010 at 3:53pm | IP Logged 
Pyx wrote:
...which I was asking for personal experiences :)

Sorry; I guess we lost track of the OP! Well, I'm giving it a go, but it'll take 2 weeks!
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 Message 29 of 222
17 March 2010 at 6:56pm | IP Logged 
Arekkusu wrote:

So be it, but the only way seeing a word once is sufficient to learn it, is if you had either heard it before or are going to come across it again. Claiming that being exposed to the word again before the 2 weeks are up is going to corrupt your learning is entirely counter-intuitive. We are constantly exposed to new words and we learn them just fine after a few exposures.


Except the guy who invented the thing says again and again that it's completely counter-intuitive, and that's the whole point. Ah well, I'm starting my first lists today, so in a few weeks I'll have something more concrete.
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 Message 30 of 222
17 March 2010 at 7:03pm | IP Logged 
Woodpecker wrote:
Arekkusu wrote:

So be it, but the only way seeing a word once is sufficient to learn it, is if you had either heard it before or are going to come across it again. Claiming that being exposed to the word again before the 2 weeks are up is going to corrupt your learning is entirely counter-intuitive. We are constantly exposed to new words and we learn them just fine after a few exposures.


Except the guy who invented the thing says again and again that it's completely counter-intuitive, and that's the whole point. Ah well, I'm starting my first lists today, so in a few weeks I'll have something more concrete.

I tend to be skeptical when I hear about magic.

I'll say this much: it's obvious to me at this point that though I might remember some of the words I wrote 2 weeks before, it's going to be a lot harder to remember both the word AND the kanji... Perhaps it's because I'm learning Japanese that I was more skeptical from the get-go.
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 Message 31 of 222
17 March 2010 at 11:39pm | IP Logged 
Now that I think about it again... Remembering 25 words 2 weeks later after studying for
20 minutes IS unlikely, which is why you'll only remember 30%. Remembering the ones you
didn't remember after 2 weeks is also unlikely, which is why you'll only remember 30%. In
the end, you studied these words for 80 minutes over 2 months. Why not?
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 Message 32 of 222
18 March 2010 at 3:28pm | IP Logged 
I'm trying an experiment of combining the gold list method with the iverson method. I'm skeptical as well that just writing a word down once would ever
allow me to remember it two weeks later, but I think the activity of the Iverson method of memorizing a group of 5-7 words at a time and converting from
L2 to L1 to L2 could help.

Basically, the gold list method will provide a way to review the lists. I'm doing the Iverson method in groups of 5 since that makes it easy to do the first
iteration of the gold list method of 25 words. I'm using the Teutonic word list from The Loom of Language for German. I'm including words I already
know.

I'll report back in a few weeks...


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