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| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5520 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes  Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 9 of 19 24 March 2010 at 3:07am | IP Logged | ||||||||
You know that this'll damn you to years of learning with slow progress? The initial hanzi hump is considerable and most people give up before they reach the summit and it gets easier. Since it's for the most part the frequently used characters that got simplified, you're basically doubling the entry barrier for yourself. Just learn one system until you're comfortable with it, and then learn the other, that's by far the better way, imho. It doesn't really matter that much which one you're learning first. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5166 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 10 of 19 24 March 2010 at 3:11am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I have to second that. I'd say concentrate on one and expose yourself to the other, but learning either system takes a lot of time so unless you've got incredibly strong motivation... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Delodephius Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 5188 days ago 342 posts - 501 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Serbo-Croatian*, EnglishC1, Czech Studies: Russian, Japanese | Message 11 of 19 24 March 2010 at 3:14am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I don't plan to learn Simplified for a year or two. I'm not planning to learn both script simultaneously if that is what you meant.
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| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5520 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 12 of 19 24 March 2010 at 3:26am | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's good to hear, but I'm not sure you know what you're getting yourself into. Teach yourself and these kinds of things are SUPER BEGINNER stuff! It's not like you learn 500 characters (which is a lot of work, btw), breeze through Teach Yourself, polish up on some Confucius, and then you speak Chinese. It'll take years of concentrated effort to get to a level where you can easily read books (unlike in many European languages, where you can start doing that after a month or two), and only then you'll want to learn the other character set too. So when you say you'll start transcribing traditional to simplified when you start those beginner books, then you're just having a wrong picture of the whole process. Now keep in mind, I"m not meaning to discourage you, but rather to spare you desperation a few hundred characters down the road! :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| jimbo Tetraglot Senior Member Canada Joined 6079 days ago 469 posts - 642 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin, Korean, French Studies: Japanese, Latin | Message 13 of 19 24 March 2010 at 5:25am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Bit by bit there is more stuff out in Taiwan that has both bopomofo and pinyin. (Even stuff for kids.)
Once you know one, it is pretty easy to learn the other. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Delodephius Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 5188 days ago 342 posts - 501 votes Speaks: Slovak*, Serbo-Croatian*, EnglishC1, Czech Studies: Russian, Japanese | Message 14 of 19 24 March 2010 at 10:29am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Then what are good courses for the intermediate level? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Pyx Diglot Senior Member China Joined 5520 days ago 670 posts - 892 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 15 of 19 24 March 2010 at 10:32am | IP Logged | ||||||||
Since you quoted me I feel compelled to answer, even though I can't offer any good advice there, sorry. I'm just learning with native materials, dictionaries, and a SRS. No textbooks. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| OneEye Diglot Senior Member Japan Joined 6635 days ago 518 posts - 784 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, Taiwanese, German, French | Message 16 of 19 24 March 2010 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
If you're serious about learning Chinese, you also need to pick better beginning courses. The DeFrancis series (Beginning Chinese, Beginning Chinese Reader, Intermediate Chinese, etc.) is great. They're in traditional characters, with a supplement for simplified in the back. For the regular books (not the readers), you should get the version called "Character Text for Beginning Chinese" rather than the regular one, which is only in pinyin. The books are older, and you'll almost certainly need to buy used, but they're really good. Another option is Practical Chinese Reader, which is available in both Traditional and Simplified versions. Note, this isn't "New Practical Chinese Reader," which I don't like nearly as much. These books are older, like the DeFrancis series. My university uses PCR I and II to cover the first year and a half of Chinese courses. The second half of the second year is Intermediate Reader of Modern Chinese by Chih-ping Chou, which I also like. I haven't taken these courses, but I used the books to learn on my own. The good thing about the PCR books is the huge amount of material available to help you with them. For instance, this site has lots of good stuff. There are SRS decks out there with all the vocab in the same order as the book presents it, and all kinds of other stuff. That's the great thing about these classic courses -- there's so much supplementary material out there. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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