|
 |
Do you speak it like a native? | ||
Tags: Native Fluency | ||
Share with:
| ||
 Language Learning Forum : General discussion |  | |
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6471 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 1 of 58 14 April 2010 at 1:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
|
Let's collect some phrases that may be used to figure out if someone is at C2 level or
even better. German: Heard in cabaret: "Wir, die frustrierten Wähler, haben sie im Glauben gelassen, wir wollten jetzt aber wirklich mal so richtig durchregiert werden." Do you understand the neologism "durchregieren"? (no cultural reference) (later in the same piece:) "Ab heute wird zurückveräppelt!" Do you understand "zurückveräppeln"? Do you understand the cultural reference of the phrase? Magazine headline: "Die stärksten Ami-Schlitten" What is this going to be about? (no cultural reference) Newspaper headline:
Canadian French Explain the origin and meaning of the phrase "m'as m'en rappeler" in this image
words, and whose famous quote is this? British English / North England varieties
cultural reference) American English
Rural Southern varieties
reference) Japanese
cultural reference) Finnish
this mean? (no cultural reference) Edited by Sprachprofi on 17 April 2010 at 10:14am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| noriyuki_nomura Bilingual Octoglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 5341 days ago 304 posts - 465 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Japanese, FrenchC2, GermanC2, ItalianC1, SpanishB2, DutchB1 Studies: TurkishA1, Korean | Message 2 of 58 14 April 2010 at 3:17pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
|
Hi Sprachprofil :)
Here's my try... I must say, I didn't quite understand the precise meaning of both words, but according to the context, I presume the sentences mean: we, the frustrated voters,let them believe that we actually really wanted to be ruled completely (by them). From today, the tables will be turned around (or the game will be played back against them)! Edited by noriyuki_nomura on 14 April 2010 at 3:19pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| schoenewaelder Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5561 days ago 759 posts - 1197 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 3 of 58 14 April 2010 at 7:11pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
|
Not really sure of my level, but I was C1 a year ago, so I ought to be there by now.
But I'm not very confident on these phrases either. I'd probably guess also that "durchregieren" was probably "completely governed", but it could possibly something like "governed by poxy" or "transparently governed" or "worn out through governing". The phrase is also a but tricky to unwind, but i think: We, the frustrated voters let them think we really wanted to be completely governed this time. I don't know "zurückveräppeln" or its cultural reference, but would guess at either a legal appeal or rerunning a vote. Or reversing the rerunning of a vote. Have you got any easier ones? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| OlafP Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5436 days ago 261 posts - 667 votes Speaks: German*, French, English | Message 4 of 58 14 April 2010 at 7:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
|
A very good idea for a thread. As a hint to those who try to solve Sprachprofi's riddles: they are puns, so you need to find either some sort of idiomatic expression or a well-known quote and figure out how it was twisted. That is very hard.
Here is another one coined by Friedrich Nietzsche: "Hinterweltler" Any other examples that come to my mind at the moment are hard to solve (or even to detect in the first place) for native speakers as well. I hope to see a few examples for some other languages as well. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| LLF Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5581 days ago 66 posts - 72 votes Speaks: English* | Message 5 of 58 14 April 2010 at 7:55pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
Isn't that way beyond C2 level ? I would have thought you would have to be native or near-native to do that. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| marvolo Tetraglot Newbie Finland Joined 5707 days ago 20 posts - 30 votes Speaks: Finnish*, French, English, Spanish | Message 6 of 58 14 April 2010 at 8:25pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
Beyond C2 level, if there is something, it's native. For me C2 equals native or very-near-native level in language. Or that's what's taught in my university. Edited by marvolo on 14 April 2010 at 8:27pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6471 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 7 of 58 14 April 2010 at 8:40pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
|
This test is for the upper part of C2, or D, if you believe in it. For German you can
test for D-level language proficiency. Anyway I'm posting the kind of things that pretty much only natives would know, to distinguish fluent speakers from those who achieved native-like proficiency. Here's another thing, a magazine headline: "Die stärksten Ami-Schlitten". I'll start posting solutions when there's a second page of this thread... don't want anyone to read the spoilers first. Edited by Sprachprofi on 14 April 2010 at 8:40pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||
| LLF Groupie United Kingdom Joined 5581 days ago 66 posts - 72 votes Speaks: English* | Message 8 of 58 14 April 2010 at 8:45pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||
The Goethe Institut offers the following: Goethe Institut post-C2 exam which they consider goes beyond C2. Anyway, I have met many non-native speakers of English who, though at C2 level, could not possibly be called native or near-native. However, this is all a bit off topic .. 1 person has voted this message useful |
|  | 
Printable version
|
| Copyright 2024 FX Micheloud - All rights reserved No part of this website may be copied by any means without my written authorization. |
