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OLeão
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 Message 1 of 20
16 April 2010 at 2:05am | IP Logged 
My name is Adrian, I'm from California. This is my first post on this forum, and I'm glad to be here!

This question is for Romance experts.

As a speaker of Spanish and Portuguese, I have learned the correspondence between words in both. Let me explain:

Spanish suffix -on corresponds with Portuguese -ão; -ales becomes -ais

Acción ----> Ação
Generales ---> Gerais.

There are others, but you get the idea.

My question is if these "formulas" (so to speak) occur in Spanish/Italian, Portuguese/Italian.

Thank you in advance to anyone who can answer.

Muito obrigado!

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16 April 2010 at 2:30am | IP Logged 
I am by no means an expert, but I've certainly seen correspondence between noun endings
of a certain type between Spanish and Italian.

The first one that comes to mind is -dad, -tad --> -tà. For example:
ciudad -- città
libertad -- libertà
universidad -- università
and so on.

Additionally, words ending in -ción in Spanish tend to end in -zione in Italian, such
as:
organización -- organizzazione
educación -- educazione
but I can think of one exception off the top of my head (salvación -- salvezza). These
two endings seem mutually transparent to me, though, so I don't know if you were
looking for more veiled correspondences between the two languages.

Anyway, hope that helps get you started!
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NativeLanguage
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 Message 3 of 20
16 April 2010 at 2:31am | IP Logged 
>>My question is if these "formulas" (so to speak) occur in Spanish/Italian, Portuguese/Italian.<<

The same types of formulas do exist (though, of course, with different endings).

Spanish, Italian, Portuguese (and French, Catalan, Romanian, etc) are all Romance languages - children of Latin, so to speak.

What you are seeing is the way each region changed the same endings in Latin.
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OLeão
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16 April 2010 at 2:38am | IP Logged 
Thank you both for your speedy responses. Estoy agradecido!

Alejeather, that definitely does help get me started. I figured beginning with the similarities was a good plan!
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NativeLanguage
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16 April 2010 at 4:34am | IP Logged 
I have a chart on my site that compares the cognates of the Romance languages.

It may be helpful to you to see it altogether in a single chart.

http://nativlang.com/po/rexample.htm
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 Message 6 of 20
16 April 2010 at 4:51am | IP Logged 
This should help as well.
http://www.orbilat.com/Linguistics_Comparative/index.html
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alang
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 Message 7 of 20
16 April 2010 at 9:25am | IP Logged 

A great book with these type of patterns between English and Spanish is "The Magic Key to Spanish" by Margarita Madrigal. There is also one for French and German.

Anyway on to the topic.

I am aware of some words that end in -ción in Spanish are similar to words in French like English words that end in -tion. Of course the example from Alejeather from Italian.

There are some patterns from Spanish to Portuguese right here.
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FuroraCeltica
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 Message 8 of 20
16 April 2010 at 10:33am | IP Logged 
Alejeather wrote:
I am by no means an expert, but I've certainly seen correspondence between noun endings
of a certain type between Spanish and Italian.

The first one that comes to mind is -dad, -tad --> -tà. For example:
ciudad -- città
libertad -- libertà
universidad -- università
and so on.

Additionally, words ending in -ción in Spanish tend to end in -zione in Italian, such
as:
organización -- organizzazione
educación -- educazione
but I can think of one exception off the top of my head (salvación -- salvezza). These
two endings seem mutually transparent to me, though, so I don't know if you were
looking for more veiled correspondences between the two languages.

Anyway, hope that helps get you started!


Good post. I think it is really useful when we can spot these kind of patterns


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