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Volte
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01 June 2010 at 12:53pm | IP Logged 
Time for yet another collaborative thread. There is a lot on L-R written on this forum, and it's scattered all over the place. This is part of the list of resources list.

Core URLs
L-R: the most important passages. Atamagaii's collection of the key forum posts related to L-R.

Listening-Reading system. The thread which kicked it all off.

Offsite links to a condensed version of the above thread.

!Listening-Reading thread posts by siomotteikiru (and atamagaii).


Posts on specific aspects of L-R
L-R and the active phase.

L-R: Intensity, evaporation, gist. Addressing what it takes to keep an L-R'd language from 'evaporating'.


Quick sketches of some basics
These are useful, but incomplete; for a more condensed quick start, read the first post of the Listening-Reading system.

Splog's youtube video on L-R, extensive listening, and the importance of enjoying what you listen to.

http://learnanylanguage.wikia.com/wiki/Listening-Reading_Met hod


Variations
Reading while listening. A thread about a nifty monolingual web-based tool, which highlights short phrases in prepared texts as the corresponding audio is played.

Tuning and Testing Listening-Reading. Adaptations of L-R, gained through personal experience.

The New R-L-R method deals with reading in your target language, ignoring pronunciation. It's useful, but not recommended for any language you care about pronouncing.

"The Best Method Ever". Carefully reading and comparing closely related languages before listening to the audio. The usual caveats about the dangers of reading before listening apply, but it's certainly useful.


Misc
Most efficient way to spend 120 hours. Mainly a discussion about L-R.

The trouble with language textbooks. Atamagaii outlines why textbooks are inefficient.

Passive listening and L-R.

L-R: Natural listening. Interesting questions, not much resolution.

L-R experts: isn't it strange?. This thread raises the question of why movies with subtitles are so much less effective than L-R.

Modified LR method with Japanese. Speculation on using RTK too.


Posts with more heat than light
These are only here for completeness; they're probably not worth reading.
On L-R. A bit of L-R description, a lot of quibbling.


Learning logs
Work in progress...

M. Medialis has had some interesting results with a non-intensive version of L-R. He wrote the following in January, 2010.
M. Medialis wrote:

I started to LR russian in march 2009 (when I at last bought a walkman cell phone). Since then, I've been LR-ing Kafka's The castle a couple of times, and The Brothers Karamazov by Dostoyevsky. -Both of the books were completely wonderful.

After that, I could speak naturally to a russian man (making insane grammar mistakes). It was a strange and exhilarating feeling to have a real conversation in a language I had never "studied". He didn't know any other languages so there were no English back-door.

That's when I reached the natural listening stage. After that, I continued to LR The castle and George Orwell's 1984, while building vocab using scriptorium. One of my strategies is to LR a section of a book in the morning, do scriptorium of it in the evening, and just simply listen to it the following days.


Fighting Windmills. Teango jumped into Spanish, recognizing 90% of words in unknown texts in a few days. He did some 10+ hour days, and some much more relaxed ones.

Polish: another attempt. I didn't manage intensity comparable to Teango's. I learned a lot, but could have done a lot better. It was a more focused followup to my initial dabbling with Polish L-R.

Luke: Learning French Fast. Luke used a mixture of methods, including some L-R.

Kealist's Mandarin log.



General resources
MarcoDiAngelo's thread proposing making copyright-free parallel texts and a library of such texts.

The list of resources list, especially the online bilingual texts and list of free, legal audiobooks.

Kealist's Mandarin resources.


Japanese resources
Atamagaii's Japanese links. Be careful with copyright; most of the links are ok.

Sheetz has collected some amazing resources, with Japanese audiobooks, often with transcripts, translations, and even parallel texts. It can be found on
koohii.com, rtkwiki and this forum; the last also contains his log. The rtkwiki links seem to be the most recently updated.

Edited by Volte on 29 June 2010 at 6:20pm

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04 June 2010 at 12:42pm | IP Logged 

Great job, Volte.


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Volte
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04 June 2010 at 2:21pm | IP Logged 
Hashimi wrote:

Great job, Volte.


Thanks; I didn't do most of the work. Most of the credit really belongs to atamagaii, splog, M. Medialis, MarcoDiAngelo, Teango, and everyone else who's done things with L-R.

atamagaii wrote:

MarcoDiAngelo: The Best Method Ever

Parallel texts projects:

http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=19917&PN=1
http://www.bilingual-texts.com/library/

Splog.
M. Medialis

Japanese links


Atamagaii later wrote:

    siomotteikiru, atamagaii
    Listening-Reading system. The thread which kicked it all off.
      Listening-Reading system. The thread which kicked it all off.
   
      !Listening-Reading thread siomotteikirus (and atamagaii) posts

    Japanese
      sheetz: http://forum.koohii.com/viewtopic.php?id=804
      sheetz: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=6241&PN=1
      nandemoii

    Volte
     L-R roundup thread

    MarcoDiAngelo
     The Best Method Ever
     Parallel texts project
      http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=19917&PN=1
      http://www.bilingual-texts.com/library/

    Splog

    M. Medialis
   
    Japanese links.

     http://learnanylanguage.wikia.com/wiki/Listening-Reading_Met hod

    Luke: Learning French Fast


Edited by Volte on 04 June 2010 at 2:58pm

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07 June 2010 at 5:03am | IP Logged 
MarcoDiAngelo pointed out that I'd neglected to include the Q&A session about L-R and the active phase, and was kind enough to find the link to it.

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29 June 2010 at 6:26pm | IP Logged 
At atamagaii's suggestion, I've added:

New Online Tool: Reading-while-Listening
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=21591&PN=1

Most efficient way to spend 120 hours
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=21258&PN=1



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