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German Schwa /Dark Schwa

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sama_el
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13 July 2010 at 10:24am | IP Logged 
I'm having problems with pronouncing the dark schwa ( I believe it's also called the vocalic r ), especially after an R ( the French one ).
How easily could you discern this:
unserer - unsere, euerer - euere
To me it sounds very similar so I must be doing it wrong.
Any tips on how to pronounce the dark schwa correctly?

Thank you!
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eumiro
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13 July 2010 at 2:06pm | IP Logged 
sama_el wrote:
unserer - unsere, euerer - euere
To me it sounds very similar so I must be doing it wrong.
Any tips on how to pronounce the dark schwa correctly?


The "-ere" is read with the last 'e' somehow accentuated, while the '-erer' is read with a tiny 'a' and 'r' at the end and not so clean like the '-ere'.
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sama_el
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Thank you!
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LangOfChildren
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16 July 2010 at 11:15am | IP Logged 
You can pronounce '-er' as a short /a/.

unserer -> ['unzəra] (ə being schwa)

Lehrer -> ['le:ra] :)

This may seem weird, but that's how most people actually pronounce it.

Hope this helps.

Edited by LangOfChildren on 16 July 2010 at 11:15am

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sama_el
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16 July 2010 at 10:46pm | IP Logged 
Is it the standard pronunciation? I used to pronounce it schwa+French R w/o trill, but I presume that's wrong. I checked the IPA vowel chart; the "a" vowel you speak of is slightly constricted. It really is strange.

Edited by sama_el on 16 July 2010 at 10:57pm



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