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From "DRacula" to "R" Rolling? | ||
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| BobbyE Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5042 days ago 226 posts - 331 votes  Speaks: English*, Mandarin | Message 1 of 10 16 July 2010 at 9:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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First of all, this is a great forum, I've already learned a lot about my options in language learning.
One thing I really need help on is figuring out how to go from the "R" sound in "d'racula", por favor, cerveza, or "d'ream" from the "vision d'ream" exercise, to actually being able to sustain a rolled "R". The apostrophe in d'racula and d'ream being the flip of the tongue. I've seen the topics "The trilled R, and how I learned to do it", "How did you learn to roll your R's?", and "I can flip my R’s but not roll them". Anything I am missing, any new ideas? Any help would be appreciated. I can record myself speaking and attempting too if somebody would be so kind to help me. Thank you very much in advance. Note: I am following the Pimsleur Spanish I course, and plan on continuing through II and III. Will probably take on Assimil or FSI afterwards. I am trying out exercises at http://www.wikihow.com/Roll-Your-%22R%22s Edited by BobbyE on 16 July 2010 at 9:30pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| betaquarx Triglot Groupie Germany Joined 5514 days ago 70 posts - 90 votes Speaks: German*, English, Dutch Studies: French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 2 of 10 16 July 2010 at 9:46pm | IP Logged | ||
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D followed by R is a good combination to start, because when pronouncing a D your tongue is almost in the ideal position for the trill R.
So start with words like dragon. After that you can try with some R's at the end of the word. I for example read lists with Spanish verbs (infinitive forms) and tried to stress the R at the end. Try to relax your tongue, and control the air flow, maybe you need a stronger air flow. The trill R at the beginning of a word is the hardest (or was for me at least). I try to train my trill R every day on the way to the subway etc. I don't mind people giving me silly looks :-) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| BobbyE Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5042 days ago 226 posts - 331 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin | Message 3 of 10 16 July 2010 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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thanks betaquarx I will play with relaxation and air flow when training.
I have uploaded a sound clip of my attempt with the words quierro, cerveza, and restaurante. http://www.esnips.com/doc/2764ad11-2b58-4039-8e94-1914ec7a06 a7/BeerInRestaurant (for some reason the space between the 06 and a7 at the end of the link won't close when I "Update Post", just delete the space to get address to work) Am I on the right track? Edited by BobbyE on 16 July 2010 at 10:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| betaquarx Triglot Groupie Germany Joined 5514 days ago 70 posts - 90 votes Speaks: German*, English, Dutch Studies: French, Spanish, Russian, Swedish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 4 of 10 16 July 2010 at 11:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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Get a mirror and watch your tongue move, that helps too!
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| NightEcho Newbie Canada Joined 5040 days ago 2 posts - 2 votes Speaks: English* | Message 5 of 10 17 July 2010 at 7:44am | IP Logged | ||
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Rolling the R sound in Spanish is the point I realized that Tim Horton's "Roll up the rim
to win" add campaign was actually useful... I guess you need be be Canadian to get that one, but anyways, it made me able to basically roll the R on any word. Go Tim Hortons! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| johntm93 Senior Member United States Joined 5122 days ago 587 posts - 746 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish | Message 6 of 10 17 July 2010 at 8:33am | IP Logged | ||
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Try rolling it in the word "three" then move to Spanish words like perro and whatever else. Look it up on youtube, there;s a ton of helpful videos.
Once you get it it becomes super easy, I definitely love the trilled "r". Edited by johntm93 on 18 July 2010 at 4:09am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5806 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 7 of 10 17 July 2010 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | ||
You mean "perro", surely? There's no trill in "pero". 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5561 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 8 of 10 17 July 2010 at 5:32pm | IP Logged | ||
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I can't remember not to be able to roll R's so I can't tell you how I learnt it. But when I say 'Dracula', the tip of my tongue might be in the right position, but the sides are fixed between the molars and the whole tongue is a bit of a hollow arc, if that makes sense. Also, to pronounce the English R sound I pull the tip of the tongue towards the palate. Out of that position, my tongue is too tense to produce a rolled R!
If you can pronounce a D with your tongue loose in the mouth, not pressing against the molars (or premolars) or fixed into position by them, that would be a good starting position. (German L also does the job, English L has the tongue too hollow and tense ... haha) 1 person has voted this message useful |
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