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Romanist
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 Message 17 of 36
25 July 2010 at 12:10am | IP Logged 
There is, of course, another approach: one could dive straight into Russian (or Czech, etc) but make a conscious decision to be relaxed about the grammar for the first 6 months or so. (The danger with this is that you could end up with some fossilized errors...)
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Borys
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 Message 18 of 36
25 July 2010 at 12:49am | IP Logged 
Believe me folks, Slovio won't be of any help if you want to learn Russian or any other slavic language. The grammar has nothing to do with Russian or Slavic at all. Slavs can understand it easily if they know Russian, but not if they don't.
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 Message 19 of 36
23 December 2010 at 9:11am | IP Logged 
Slovianski is a plagiarized copy of Slovio. The grammar is so complicated - you might as well learn a real slavic language not this one. If you want to use Slovianski to learn Russian - it is totally useless, since Slovianski vocabulary is based on Czech and Polish. Unlike SLOVIO which uses words from all Slavic languages and takes into account the number of speakers of those Slavic languages, Slovianski was made by a Czech-German and a Dutch Polish translator and it reflects their bias. On the other hand, you can learn Slovio and Slovio grammar in just a few weeks and the 65-thousand word Slovio dictionary is usefull in all Slavic-speaking countries, not only in the Czech republic and Poland.

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/slovianski
http://www.youtube.com/interslavic
http://www.youtube.com/slavianstvo

LANGUAGE LESSONS:
Lesson-1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoqHA9go1Bs
Lesson-2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wotq1fTBJeE
Lesson-3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkAEVy_MFf4
Lesson-4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzqYVxQmlFo
Lesson-5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsc9N-NX1Z4
Lesson-6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-dr56XFaUc
Lesson-7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRdeVCA0jkk
Lesson-8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORlNmmrZZ4c
Lesson-9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ifwcNWb5b8
Lesson-10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UsoFa9AszY

SLOVIO FULL DICTIONARY ZIPPED (65 THOUSAND ENTRIES):
http://slovio.com/1/0.slovio/d-main.zip

SLOVIO NEWS-ARCHIVES:
Zvestis 2010: http://www.zvestia.com/index2010.html
Zvestis 2009: http://www.zvestia.com/index2009.html
Zvestis 2008: http://www.zvestia.com/index2008.html
Zvestis 2007: http://www.zvestia.com/index2007.html
Zvestis 2006: http://www.zvestia.com/index2006.html
Zvestis 2005: http://www.zvestia.com/index2005.html
Zvestis 2004: http://www.zvestia.com/index2004.html
Zvestis 2003: http://www.zvestia.com/index2003.html

By the way, Slovio starts with super-simple grammar, but there is an option, if you want (and have nerves) to learn a more complicated Slavic-like grammar. So it beats any of the Slovio-clones (and there are several dozen of Slovio-clones already) in this area too.

Edited by babusxka on 23 December 2010 at 9:23am

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William Camden
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 Message 20 of 36
23 December 2010 at 6:09pm | IP Logged 
You might as well learn the language you actually want to learn from day 1, rather than approach it crabwise through an artificial language. Anyway, Russian is

not hugely difficult to learn.

If you felt you could not learn Russian directly, you could try Slovak as an introduction to the Slav languages. It is written in a form of Roman script, if Cyrillic seems to be troublesome, but Slovak is about midway between West and East Slav and also has some South Slav features. But really, if you want to learn Russian, then why wait or take a detour?
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Borys
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 Message 21 of 36
25 December 2010 at 12:08pm | IP Logged 
babusxka wrote:
Slovianski is a plagiarized copy of Slovio.

Nonsense, Slovianski was developed independently from Slovio. Anybody who has seen both languages can see, that they are two entirely different languages. Can you point us to a single word in Slovianski that was 'plagiarized' from Slovio?

babusxka wrote:
The grammar is so complicated - you might as well learn a real slavic language not this one.

It is not complicated at all. Slovianski just has a Slavic grammar, unlike Slovio, which is just Esperanto with Russian words. There is nothing complicated about it, actually, it is much easier for Slavs than all those weird constructions in Slovio.

babusxka wrote:
If you want to use Slovianski to learn Russian - it is totally useless, since Slovianski vocabulary is based on Czech and Polish.

That is nonsense, too. Slovianski is in fact very similar to Russian and Ukrainian, much more so than Slovio, which looks and sounds alien to me. Even the fact, that most of the words were taken from Russian doesn't help here, because in a lot of cases they were alterated beyond recognition. Slovio is sort of understandable to me, but not as much as Slovianski. For a person who doesn't know Russian it's probably not understandable at all. Why do you think it is, that Slovianski is such a success, while nobody is using Slovio anymore? Because it is the work of a whole team of linguists from several Slavic countries. Slovio is the work of just one person in Switzerland, who doesn't know much about Slavic at all.
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pfn123
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 Message 22 of 36
27 December 2010 at 12:57pm | IP Logged 
Well, I don't know about all this. I'm not planning to any Slavic languages in the near future, so It's academic for me anyway...

But I went to the Slovio page just out of interest. I must say, I didn't find it very user friendly I'm afraid.
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 Message 23 of 36
27 December 2010 at 11:14pm | IP Logged 
Oh Pan Hučko was already here! I am pretty sure he's googling for Slovio and Slovianski
constantly to post his links.

What can I say on the subject? Yes, I also say that learning Slovio will not help
mastering the grammar of Slavic languages, yet it may help learning Russian vocabulary
to certain extent... but if it is worth, I don't know.

I tried Slovio may be 2 or 3 years ago. I even am able to produce few sentences in it
without much looking to the dictionary... Ja mozxijm dazx napisajt neskolk slovogrupis
vo tukaj jazika... But often it requires to look up a word in the dictionary, because I
can never be sure how many letters must I omit from Russian word (zxen instead of
zxena, tper instead of teper' and gvorit instead of govorit'.. these things are
practically unobvious for Russian native). I soon got annoyed with several grammatical
features that are completely alien for slavic speakers.

Slovianski required some effort to learn, but in fact what I had to do was comparing
Slovianski grammar to Russian and noting the differencies. I found about 20-30% of
grammar different from Russian and soon learned how to modify my Russian to get
Slovianski. Most words, even those who aren't presented in standard Russian, are known
to me because of OCS, old Russian fairytales and poetry and some knowledge of Ukrainian
that most Russians do have. Slovianski was very useful to achieve higher level of
passive understanding of ALL other Slavic languages at once. It also helped me a lot
learning to write them. So I can say that Slovianski is even useful for Slavic native
speakers as learning tool.
Inače govorjuči, jesli vy hotite passivno razumeti vse slavjanske jazyki i naučiti se
nemnogo pisati tak, žeby govoritelji vseh slavjanskih jazykov vas dobro razumeli,
možete učiti se Slovianskogo. But if your aim is particularly Russian or Polish without
any regard to other Slavic languages, you'd better learn Russian or Polish.

Edited by Moraczewski on 27 December 2010 at 11:18pm

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pfn123
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 Message 24 of 36
29 December 2010 at 3:52am | IP Logged 
I am wondering something: if Slovio is meant to be the 'Esperanto' of the Eastern Europe, why doesn't it use Cyrillic? I know some Slavic language use the Latin alphabet, but Cyrillic is a better fit, and more widely used. Slovio looks like an explosion in an alphabet factory, lol.


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