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| Romanist Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5064 days ago 261 posts - 366 votes  Studies: Italian | Message 17 of 36 25 July 2010 at 12:10am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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There is, of course, another approach: one could dive straight into Russian (or Czech, etc) but make a conscious decision to be relaxed about the grammar for the first 6 months or so. (The danger with this is that you could end up with some fossilized errors...)
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| Borys Tetraglot Newbie Germany Joined 5019 days ago 3 posts - 12 votes Speaks: Ukrainian*, German, Russian, English | Message 18 of 36 25 July 2010 at 12:49am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Believe me folks, Slovio won't be of any help if you want to learn Russian or any other slavic language. The grammar has nothing to do with Russian or Slavic at all. Slavs can understand it easily if they know Russian, but not if they don't.
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| babusxka Newbie Slovakia Joined 4867 days ago 8 posts - 11 votes Speaks: English | Message 19 of 36 23 December 2010 at 9:11am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Slovianski is a plagiarized copy of Slovio. The grammar is so complicated - you might as well learn a real slavic language not this one. If you want to use Slovianski to learn Russian - it is totally useless, since Slovianski vocabulary is based on Czech and Polish. Unlike SLOVIO which uses words from all Slavic languages and takes into account the number of speakers of those Slavic languages, Slovianski was made by a Czech-German and a Dutch Polish translator and it reflects their bias. On the other hand, you can learn Slovio and Slovio grammar in just a few weeks and the 65-thousand word Slovio dictionary is usefull in all Slavic-speaking countries, not only in the Czech republic and Poland.
Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/slovianski http://www.youtube.com/interslavic http://www.youtube.com/slavianstvo LANGUAGE LESSONS: Lesson-1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoqHA9go1Bs Lesson-2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wotq1fTBJeE Lesson-3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkAEVy_MFf4 Lesson-4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzqYVxQmlFo Lesson-5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsc9N-NX1Z4 Lesson-6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-dr56XFaUc Lesson-7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRdeVCA0jkk Lesson-8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORlNmmrZZ4c Lesson-9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ifwcNWb5b8 Lesson-10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UsoFa9AszY SLOVIO FULL DICTIONARY ZIPPED (65 THOUSAND ENTRIES): http://slovio.com/1/0.slovio/d-main.zip SLOVIO NEWS-ARCHIVES: Zvestis 2010: http://www.zvestia.com/index2010.html Zvestis 2009: http://www.zvestia.com/index2009.html Zvestis 2008: http://www.zvestia.com/index2008.html Zvestis 2007: http://www.zvestia.com/index2007.html Zvestis 2006: http://www.zvestia.com/index2006.html Zvestis 2005: http://www.zvestia.com/index2005.html Zvestis 2004: http://www.zvestia.com/index2004.html Zvestis 2003: http://www.zvestia.com/index2003.html By the way, Slovio starts with super-simple grammar, but there is an option, if you want (and have nerves) to learn a more complicated Slavic-like grammar. So it beats any of the Slovio-clones (and there are several dozen of Slovio-clones already) in this area too. Edited by babusxka on 23 December 2010 at 9:23am 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6054 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 20 of 36 23 December 2010 at 6:09pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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You might as well learn the language you actually want to learn from day 1, rather than approach it crabwise through an artificial language. Anyway, Russian is
not hugely difficult to learn. If you felt you could not learn Russian directly, you could try Slovak as an introduction to the Slav languages. It is written in a form of Roman script, if Cyrillic seems to be troublesome, but Slovak is about midway between West and East Slav and also has some South Slav features. But really, if you want to learn Russian, then why wait or take a detour? 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Borys Tetraglot Newbie Germany Joined 5019 days ago 3 posts - 12 votes Speaks: Ukrainian*, German, Russian, English | Message 21 of 36 25 December 2010 at 12:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Nonsense, Slovianski was developed independently from Slovio. Anybody who has seen both languages can see, that they are two entirely different languages. Can you point us to a single word in Slovianski that was 'plagiarized' from Slovio?
It is not complicated at all. Slovianski just has a Slavic grammar, unlike Slovio, which is just Esperanto with Russian words. There is nothing complicated about it, actually, it is much easier for Slavs than all those weird constructions in Slovio.
That is nonsense, too. Slovianski is in fact very similar to Russian and Ukrainian, much more so than Slovio, which looks and sounds alien to me. Even the fact, that most of the words were taken from Russian doesn't help here, because in a lot of cases they were alterated beyond recognition. Slovio is sort of understandable to me, but not as much as Slovianski. For a person who doesn't know Russian it's probably not understandable at all. Why do you think it is, that Slovianski is such a success, while nobody is using Slovio anymore? Because it is the work of a whole team of linguists from several Slavic countries. Slovio is the work of just one person in Switzerland, who doesn't know much about Slavic at all. 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| pfn123 Senior Member Australia Joined 4865 days ago 171 posts - 291 votes Speaks: English* | Message 22 of 36 27 December 2010 at 12:57pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Well, I don't know about all this. I'm not planning to any Slavic languages in the near future, so It's academic for me anyway...
But I went to the Slovio page just out of interest. I must say, I didn't find it very user friendly I'm afraid. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Moraczewski Newbie Russian Federation vkontakte.ru/anRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4863 days ago 1 posts - 5 votes Studies: Serbo-Croatian | Message 23 of 36 27 December 2010 at 11:14pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Oh Pan Hučko was already here! I am pretty sure he's googling for Slovio and Slovianski
constantly to post his links. What can I say on the subject? Yes, I also say that learning Slovio will not help mastering the grammar of Slavic languages, yet it may help learning Russian vocabulary to certain extent... but if it is worth, I don't know. I tried Slovio may be 2 or 3 years ago. I even am able to produce few sentences in it without much looking to the dictionary... Ja mozxijm dazx napisajt neskolk slovogrupis vo tukaj jazika... But often it requires to look up a word in the dictionary, because I can never be sure how many letters must I omit from Russian word (zxen instead of zxena, tper instead of teper' and gvorit instead of govorit'.. these things are practically unobvious for Russian native). I soon got annoyed with several grammatical features that are completely alien for slavic speakers. Slovianski required some effort to learn, but in fact what I had to do was comparing Slovianski grammar to Russian and noting the differencies. I found about 20-30% of grammar different from Russian and soon learned how to modify my Russian to get Slovianski. Most words, even those who aren't presented in standard Russian, are known to me because of OCS, old Russian fairytales and poetry and some knowledge of Ukrainian that most Russians do have. Slovianski was very useful to achieve higher level of passive understanding of ALL other Slavic languages at once. It also helped me a lot learning to write them. So I can say that Slovianski is even useful for Slavic native speakers as learning tool. Inače govorjuči, jesli vy hotite passivno razumeti vse slavjanske jazyki i naučiti se nemnogo pisati tak, žeby govoritelji vseh slavjanskih jazykov vas dobro razumeli, možete učiti se Slovianskogo. But if your aim is particularly Russian or Polish without any regard to other Slavic languages, you'd better learn Russian or Polish. Edited by Moraczewski on 27 December 2010 at 11:18pm 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| pfn123 Senior Member Australia Joined 4865 days ago 171 posts - 291 votes Speaks: English* | Message 24 of 36 29 December 2010 at 3:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I am wondering something: if Slovio is meant to be the 'Esperanto' of the Eastern Europe, why doesn't it use Cyrillic? I know some Slavic language use the Latin alphabet, but Cyrillic is a better fit, and more widely used. Slovio looks like an explosion in an alphabet factory, lol.
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