grunts67 Diglot Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5088 days ago 215 posts - 252 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish, Russian
| Message 1 of 9 23 August 2010 at 11:58pm | IP Logged |
Hello,
I having some difficulties with some aspect of the pronunciation in some very specific instance. My method, Assimil, goes to fast over those particulars syllables for me to be sure how to pronunce them correctly.
1- I'am not sure about the correct pronunciation of the letter Щ. Any one have trick to do the shtch sound.
2- In the following word глупом, do you pronunce it GLOUPOM or GLOUPAM. (-пом)
3- Normally, the Г between E and O is prounonce 'V' in the following words groups ЕГО and ОГО. Does the word ЭТОГО is pronunce ETAVA or ETAGA or ETAVO. I am think it is ETAGA because there is no stress on the last O of the word. It is the correct explanation ?
4- The preposition B is pronunce V or F depending on the first letter on the following word. I know some by heart but I don<t know the rule. Anyone can Enlighten me ?
Thanks you
Edited by grunts67 on 24 August 2010 at 12:08am
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RedKing'sDream Diglot Groupie United States Joined 5585 days ago 53 posts - 68 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: Ukrainian
| Message 2 of 9 24 August 2010 at 6:16am | IP Logged |
1. Hard to explain. You just need to listen to it slowly. Technically it's a palatized version of the "sh" sound, which basically means that the tongue is raised to the roof of the mouth. By the way, any description of the sound based on some sort of "shch" combination can be very misleading.
2."pam"--though the vowel is really pronounced as more of a schwa.
3. It's "ava," though once again these vowels are more of a schwa in unstressed syllables. By the way, the suffix "ogo" is NEVER pronounced as "ovo" in modern Russian, though some people in the south will pronounce it as "oho," where the "h" represents a sound somewhat similar to the English "h."
4. Assimilation of voice. "V" devoices if it precedes a devoiced consonant.
Edited by RedKing'sDream on 24 August 2010 at 6:17am
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grunts67 Diglot Senior Member CanadaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5088 days ago 215 posts - 252 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Spanish, Russian
| Message 3 of 9 24 August 2010 at 7:14am | IP Logged |
RedKing'sDream wrote:
1. Hard to explain. You just need to listen to it slowly. Technically it's a palatized version of the "sh" sound, which basically means that the tongue is raised to the roof of the mouth. By the way, any description of the sound based on some sort of "shch" combination can be very misleading.
2."pam"--though the vowel is really pronounced as more of a schwa.
3. It's "ava," though once again these vowels are more of a schwa in unstressed syllables. By the way, the suffix "ogo" is NEVER pronounced as "ovo" in modern Russian, though some people in the south will pronounce it as "oho," where the "h" represents a sound somewhat similar to the English "h."
4. Assimilation of voice. "V" devoices if it precedes a devoiced consonant. |
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By schwa you mean a letter or syllable that is lightly pronunce without intonation or stress to it ?
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leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6336 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 4 of 9 24 August 2010 at 8:35am | IP Logged |
is the х pronounced more like "k" or "h"?
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Doitsujin Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5106 days ago 1256 posts - 2363 votes Speaks: German*, English
| Message 5 of 9 24 August 2010 at 4:26pm | IP Logged |
leosmith wrote:
is the х pronounced more like "k" or "h"? |
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Neither. It's pronounced like the German "ch" in Nacht or Achtung. To hear this sound go to Acapela, select Russian as the language and have it pronounce хорошо.
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5167 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 6 of 9 24 August 2010 at 4:47pm | IP Logged |
Doitsujin wrote:
leosmith wrote:
is the х pronounced more like "k" or "h"? |
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Neither. It's pronounced like the German "ch" in Nacht or Achtung. To hear this sound go to Acapela, select Russian as the language and have it pronounce хорошо. |
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I believe it tends to be pronounced slightly further ahead than in German.
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Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5167 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian
| Message 7 of 9 24 August 2010 at 4:49pm | IP Logged |
grunts67 wrote:
By schwa you mean a letter or syllable that is lightly pronunce without intonation or stress to it ?
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Schwa is the vowel [ə]. It's a mid central vowel. In Russian and in English, it's indeed a non-stressed vowel. You'll see in the vowels table here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_phonology
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leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6336 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog
| Message 8 of 9 25 August 2010 at 12:11am | IP Logged |
Doitsujin wrote:
leosmith wrote:
is the х pronounced more like "k" or "h"? |
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Neither. It's pronounced like the German "ch" in Nacht or Achtung. To hear this sound go to
Acapela, select Russian as the
language and have it pronounce хорошо. |
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Thanks - sounds like an h with a little friction. I was originally told it sounds like ch in loch, which in US English
sounds like a k. Maybe the brits pronounce loch differently.
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