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| Josquin Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4624 days ago 2266 posts - 3992 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Latin, Italian, Russian, Swedish Studies: Japanese, Irish, Portuguese, Persian | Message 345 of 407 21 May 2012 at 4:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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Great video, Arekkusu! And very informative, even if I don't study Japanese. :)
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| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4445 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 346 of 407 21 May 2012 at 6:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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I thought the video was well done and interesting, though I am not learning Japanese either. :-P
Also, off-topic, your English is really, really good. When did you start learning it? 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5161 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 347 of 407 21 May 2012 at 6:26pm | IP Logged | ||
I had ESL classes in high school, like every other Québécois kid, but I started taking it seriously when I was around grade 9, I'd say. I watched a lot of TV and wrote a lot of letters. This was before the Internet and penpals were the only native speakers I had access to. However, I later attended university in English. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tastyonions Triglot Senior Member United States goo.gl/UIdChYRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4445 days ago 1044 posts - 1823 votes Speaks: English*, French, Spanish Studies: Italian | Message 348 of 407 21 May 2012 at 6:53pm | IP Logged | ||
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I see. I think that of people who started learning English in their teens or later, you may be the most native-sounding speaker I have ever heard. Extremely impressive!
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| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5161 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 349 of 407 22 May 2012 at 4:16pm | IP Logged | ||
Thank you, that's a very nice compliment. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5161 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 350 of 407 24 May 2012 at 5:42am | IP Logged | ||
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I met a Mandarin tutor for the first time tonight. Chinese is fun; I hope I can refresh what I had learned before.
Lots of discussion surrounding my Youtube video. Glad it was well received and happy it's made some people reconsider their study of pitch accent. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4497 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 351 of 407 26 May 2012 at 5:59am | IP Logged | ||
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According to rule 77 in 新明解日本語アクセント辞典, hiTONIHA should be hiTONIha.
The reason is that whenever a particle is added to a high particle, the first becomes accented. Of course, these rules are based on an idealization of spoken Japanese that no native follows exactly. I always try to remember that a native speaker is by definition never "wrong" about how he realizes his particular variety of spoken Japanese. In other words, I have never heard a Japanese person accidentally sound like a gaijin trying to speak Japanese. Japanese is their language. When they make mistakes, they make them in Japanese ways. If they say a word with the wrong accent, they may correct themselves, or they may like the way it sounds and continue saying it that way in the future. Others around him may think he sounds strange, or they may also start liking it and mimic him. Native speakers have the awesome freedom to change their language intentionally. These rule books are trying to capture overall trends and recommend the ideal way to pronounce words. Japanese newscasters don't actually memorize these books--they just try their best. It's easy to find Japanese people complaining that a newscaster didn't say a word exactly as it is written in the book. All native speakers break some of these rules. I'm aiming for the idealization. If that means my pitch accent is so perfect and regular that I don't sound exactly like a native, so be it. I'm saying this because I think this is the right attitude to have (for all languages). It bothers me when I see statements like
In case it's not clear, Arekkusu, I'm just lecturing the language learning community in general. I'm not completely upset about something you did recently. By the way, in that video, were you reading from your script or did you have it mostly memorized? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5161 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 352 of 407 26 May 2012 at 6:08am | IP Logged | ||
I was reading from a script, but I would occasionally depart from it. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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