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| daveyboy Newbie Spain Joined 5077 days ago 33 posts - 46 votes Studies: Spanish | Message 9 of 15 23 September 2010 at 10:09am | IP Logged |
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Bcurtis, the pronouns can be difficult to get your head around, i still struggle some times. You could start surfing the net and look for sites that explain in more detail about these pronouns and the verbs that are used with them. or a grammar book that gives more detail on them. Look for explanations on them, then look for these pronouns being used in context with the English equivalent, it should give you better knowledge on how and when to use them. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| psy88 Senior Member United States Joined 5386 days ago 469 posts - 882 votes  Studies: Spanish*, Japanese, Latin, French | Message 10 of 15 24 September 2010 at 5:19am | IP Logged |
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The Practice Makes Perfect series (which I think is a great value for the money) has a book on Spanish pronouns. Why not give it a look?
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| Merv Bilingual Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5068 days ago 414 posts - 749 votes Speaks: English*, Serbo-Croatian* Studies: Spanish, French | Message 11 of 15 24 September 2010 at 6:02am | IP Logged |
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If you are thinking he and has are pronouns at this point, rather than conjugations of haber, it means that Rosetta
Stone is not teaching you effectively anything. You need to get a real program with complete sentences and translations, so you can understand what is going on. I use Assimil Spanish and if you were to do so you would see within maybe 5 or 10 lessons what haber is all about. Trust me, drop the RS as soon as possible. It is just a massive waste of your time. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| daveyboy Newbie Spain Joined 5077 days ago 33 posts - 46 votes Studies: Spanish | Message 12 of 15 24 September 2010 at 10:54am | IP Logged |
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Bcurtis, Merv is absolutely right about ditching the RS, it mite give you the basics
but that's it.! Change your method and buy an Assimal Spanish with ease book with audio, it will fast forward your learning like crazy..!! Most of the Spanish learners on this site use the Assimil books, and the learners of other languages use them as well. Also look for the Topic / debate on here about Rosetta Stone [big thread] there are not many who will use it, and think it is a total waste of money and time.! I actually used RS when I first started to learn Spanish in England and thought it was great..haha.. then when I moved to Spain, I realized how useless it was. Happy Learning mate. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Gray Newbie United States Joined 5831 days ago 32 posts - 48 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Esperanto | Message 13 of 15 17 October 2010 at 4:24am | IP Logged |
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Here is a good free Spanish grammar resource. Honestly, if you've already purchased Rosetta Stone, probably the last thing you want to do now is spend more money :)
Here is the lesson on the present perfect (he, has, ha, hemos, han + past participle) Reflexive verbs are in Unit Five. (Me, Te, Se) Direct object pronouns are in Unit Four (Me, Te, lo, la, los, las, nos, etc.) And the indirect object pronouns are also in Unit Four (Me, Te, Le, Les, etc.) And yes, using the perfect constructions (haber+past participle) is a universal thing in Spanish, so you do have to learn it. And the various pronouns and reflexive verbs are likewise used throughout the Spanish speaking world. These are not strange regionalisms, they're completely standard Spanish. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |
| tibbles Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4986 days ago 245 posts - 421 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Korean | Message 14 of 15 24 October 2010 at 8:33pm | IP Logged |
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Bcurtis, since you (or your parents?) may have spent hundreds of dollars on Rosetta Stone, it may still be possible to salvage some usefulness from it. What I recommend is that you obtain the Michel Thomas Spanish course (purchase, borrow, download, whatever) and listen to it. That course will provide you with enough of the ground rules of Spanish to enable you to distinguish verbs from pronouns. This is one of my peeves about Rosetta Stone: it is quite possible and logical for a learner to infer some pattern that is completely contrary to its meaning within the language because RS provides no explanation.
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| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5203 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 15 of 15 26 October 2010 at 10:13am | IP Logged |
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Hi bcurtis.
Don't take it personal, but in here you're going to get a bit of grief over the RS use. I've used RS a bit and I don't think it's toooo bad as long as you understand its limitations and are basically using it just to learn vocabulary (although there are much cheaper and in some ways better methods for doing this). Supplementing it with some more formal grammar work (as well as something like the Michel Thomas suggestion above) will go a LONG way to making it a more useful program since in RS you spend way too much time staring at grammar that frankly may NEVER make sense unless you look it up elsewhere. Also, whatever stage you're on in RS, don't buy any more. If you have money to burn like that, you can just send it to me instead :) Edited by Sandman on 26 October 2010 at 10:14am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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