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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5628 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes  1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 25 of 48 12 October 2010 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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This is certainly the Danish soft "d" and and the glottal stop in Danish. What is also difficult to proncounce for me is the E-uropo, E-uropa diphtong in Esperanto and Italian, because Germans speak "eu" as one single phoneme.
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| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5705 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 26 of 48 12 October 2010 at 9:48pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I have had struggles with the "tr" consonant cluster in English, the hard "g" in Afrikaans and Dutch, the Swedish "sj", though I hope I am getting better at pronouncing these sounds. I occasionally mispronounce Spanish vowels by making them into diphthongs even though I know better.
I can't consistently pronounce the "r" sound in French and yes this is a major reason I am not learning French.
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| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5547 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 27 of 48 12 October 2010 at 11:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
Using [x] for [ç] works (it's that way in some dialects) but the other way around, no. Korean tense consonants. They clean my sinuses in unexpected ways. I haven't given up, but accepted proceeding only at snail pace. Oh, and I have this wild dream that tells me once I'm comfortable in all of my current language I'll pick up one with an even more alien phonology. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| John Smith Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5823 days ago 396 posts - 542 votes Speaks: English*, Czech*, Spanish Studies: German | Message 28 of 48 14 October 2010 at 1:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
If it's the e in the word nehmen then the sound you want is a mix of i: and e: sounds like the e in der and the i in dir being pronounced at the same time. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Préposition Diglot Senior Member France aspectualpairs.wordp Joined 4895 days ago 186 posts - 283 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishC1 Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Swedish, Arabic (Levantine) | Message 29 of 48 02 December 2010 at 8:08pm | IP Logged | |||||
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The Arabic saad ص and daad ض really do my head in. The rest of the sounds are alright, although I sometimes get lazy on the haa ح and the Taa ط. The Russian sound Ы was slightly strange at first, but like Х, it's alright now.
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| nebojats Triglot Groupie United States Joined 4977 days ago 89 posts - 120 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Thai Studies: French, Arabic (Written), Mandarin, Italian | Message 30 of 48 13 December 2010 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Thai has two b sounds:
บ and ป The first sounds pretty much like "b" in "bear." The second sounds like the noise you make when releasing the second "p" in "apple." Similar to "b," but more explosive... kind of like a cross between "b" and "p." ด and ต The same situation, only with a "d" sound. The second letter is a more explosive "d" sound that's sort of a cross between "d" and "t." Difficult to master the sounds in isolation, although manageable with practice. Once the ability to pronounce is achieved, it's not too difficult with concentration. But being able to separate the two sounds consistently while speaking or reading though... cripes! I have almost smacked my language instructor so many times because I swear to God I'm saying the sentence correctly. She repeats the sentence back correctly, it sounds identical to what I just said, I try again, and she shakes her head... the frustration! Edited by nebojats on 13 December 2010 at 2:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| mick33 Senior Member United States Joined 5705 days ago 1335 posts - 1632 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Finnish Studies: Thai, Polish, Afrikaans, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Spanish, Swedish | Message 31 of 48 15 December 2010 at 9:29am | IP Logged | |||||
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In the last month I have discovered a few more troublesome phonemes, and all of them come from Polish. My tongue, and vocal chords, cannot currently pronounce cz, dż, rz, sz, and ż as different sounds, even though they clearly are different sounds. I like listening to spoken Polish, so hopefully I will eventually work out how to pronounce these sounds. Edited by mick33 on 16 December 2010 at 2:26am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slhdn Diglot Newbie Turkey Joined 5512 days ago 20 posts - 33 votes Speaks: Turkish*, English Studies: French, Arabic (classical) | Message 32 of 48 15 December 2010 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Georgian ejective consonants. Especially /q'/.
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